Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups

 

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/

3 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

 

Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups

 

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/

So $1,500 a year....for 15k miles.... personally Ill spend an extra $1500 for range and time saved.  I own a diesel FTIW

Edited June 27, 20241 yr by Seatofmypants

Grocery getter ev pickups. 

5 hours ago, Seatofmypants said:

So $1,500 a year....for 15k miles.... personally Ill spend an extra $1500 for range and time saved.  I own a diesel FTIW

It's WAY more than that if you drive it like you stole it.  That's when EV's pay off.  They are not green, are worse on the environment, but they are fast and fun to drive.  That is their ONLY positive.

7 hours ago, BOHICA said:

 

Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups

 

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/

JUNK

2 hours ago, Deephaven said:

It's WAY more than that if you drive it like you stole it.  That's when EV's pay off.  They are not green, are worse on the environment, but they are fast and fun to drive.  That is their ONLY positive.

Ya.  Only thing really slightly comparable to my SUV would be a hellcat Durango or Jeep or a lambo urus which all cost more and have less performance and would be single digit mpg’s while trying to keep up while I’m in eco mode.

You won't outrun them in eco mode. My sisters RSQ8 brats my buddies Rivian R1S in the 1/4 and even more so the further you go.  And yes, horseshit mileage while doing it.  Same motor is in my car and I regularly get less than 10 screwing around although your truck will suck a shitload of juice doing the same.

12 hours ago, BOHICA said:

 

Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups

 

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/

Usually the cost to get an ev is more than the fuel savings. I Used the same tactics back in 2008 to sell them. After the dust settled there was not any savings from not using gas as the machine was at it the end of its usable life by the time it broke even. The hybrid version was the way to go as it had a generator that ran the same electrical system/drive as the battery unit and was a lot cheap to buy. It also used next to nothing for gas or diesel because the gen set pretty much idled. 

 

 

EVs fare poorly in J.D. Power quality survey; Ram and Porsche top the rankings

Despite a reputation for less maintenance, EVs get dragged down by advanced tech

 

 

One of the most popular talking points from EV evangelists is that they require less maintenance and are cheaper to operate than gas vehicles. The 2024 Initial Quality Study from J.D. Power suggests that might not be the case, however, as EV owners report many more problems than their gas-owning counterparts.

The organization rates vehicles based on the number of problems there are per 100 units (PP100). This year, the 38th year of the study, gas and diesel vehicles averaged 180 PP100, compared to 266 PP100 for EVs and PHEVs. J.D. Power noted that even Tesla, the EV juggernaut, failed to perform well in this year’s study, as its customers report issues with funky turn signals and wiper controls.

 

Electric vehicles often have more advanced tech features than gas models do, which can complicate the early ownership experience. EVs clocked many more in-vehicle technology problems than similar gas vehicles, with 30 percent more problems reported for things like controls, infotainment, and more.

Other issues caused problems for both gas and electric vehicle owners. Advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) can cause false warnings, irritating drivers and causing stress unnecessarily. Rear-seat reminders, which sound an alert to check for pets, kids, and other items, added 1.7 PP100 to vehicle scores across the survey, and some owners reported thinking that the reminders related to seatbelts, not forgotten back-seat passengers.

Additionally, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto – two of the most popular new-vehicle features – were in the top 10 problems for new vehicle owners. Buyers said they’d had difficulties connecting their phones or keeping them connected, a significant issue when more than half of Apple users and 42 percent of Samsung users said they used the technologies.

While the survey illustrates that EVs are not problem-free, it shouldn’t be taken as an indication that the electric powertrain is the cause of the somewhat negative responses. Automakers pack electric models with the latest tech and go over-the-top with design and ergonomics to make them feel more futuristic and appealing, which can complicate the ownership experience. The trend shows no signs of slowing down, but J.D. Power’s study showed that it might be a good idea for automakers to pump the brakes a bit.

I didn't click the link.  Does that savings include the down time for refueling each vehicle?

Considering the average stop for gas is 8min if you never need a public charger at 20mpg with a 20gal tank for 100,000miles the ICE vehicle will require 33 hours more fueling time than the electric car.

7 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

Considering the average stop for gas is 8min if you never need a public charger at 20mpg with a 20gal tank for 100,000miles the ICE vehicle will require 33 hours more fueling time than the electric car.

I speak English and use English language sentence structure.  Are you trying to say an ice vehicle has more refueling time than an EV?

6 hours ago, mnstang said:

I speak English and use English language sentence structure.  Are you trying to say an ice vehicle has more refueling time than an EV?

Then it is obvious what I stated.  Gas stations suck.  Huge waste of time.  If I could avoid them that'd be sweet.

You obviously suck at math.

39 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

Then it is obvious what I stated.  Gas stations suck.  Huge waste of time.  If I could avoid them that'd be sweet.

EV's have worse range per battery than comparable ice vehicle has.  And charge times are a whole lot longer than your 8 minute figure.  

I always always in the advanced/honors math classes.  

Judging by your horrible logic I'm guessing you had some issues.

Except the charge time is fundamentally zero when you do it at home.  Gas stations you have to stand there and wait.  I didn't include the drive time to the gas station which is also substantial.  Again not talking about a highway cruiser but how most of us decide which is less than 200mi/day

14 hours ago, mnstang said:

I speak English and use English language sentence structure.  Are you trying to say an ice vehicle has more refueling time than an EV?

Well he is retarded.

You've never been able to do math so no surprise there 

46 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

Except the charge time is fundamentally zero when you do it at home.  Gas stations you have to stand there and wait.  I didn't include the drive time to the gas station which is also substantial.  Again not talking about a highway cruiser but how most of us decide which is less than 200mi/day

Gas stations are on the way whenever you go anywhere.

14 hours ago, XCR1250 said:

Gas stations are on the way whenever you go anywhere.

If you add up the time you waste going to one you will surprise yourself.  It is always at least a 5min detour for me both directions.  There can be exceptions, but it is rare.  Even 5min x 2500 fill ups is A LOT of time...

1 minute ago, Deephaven said:

If you add up the time you waste going to one you will surprise yourself.  It is always at least a 5min detour for me both directions.  There can be exceptions, but it is rare.  Even 5min x 2500 fill ups is A LOT of time...

No detours for us, gas stations are on the way where ever we go, wife gases up once every 2 weeks me once sometimes once maybe twice a month.

It always convenient to stop and waste 10-15 min as well.

The argument on time against EVs is the dumbest argument ever.  They are way faster to fill if you aren't going over 200mi/day.  Arguing differently is sheer stupidity.

1 hour ago, Deephaven said:

It always convenient to stop and waste 10-15 min as well.

The argument on time against EVs is the dumbest argument ever.  They are way faster to fill if you aren't going over 200mi/day.  Arguing differently is sheer stupidity.

You know ev are good for is going from point a to point b back and forth. Long trips hell no. They do break down as much as gas powered vehicles. People don’t understand that 

6 hours ago, Not greg b said:

You know ev are good for is going from point a to point b back and forth. Long trips hell no. They do break down as much as gas powered vehicles. People don’t understand that 

Yep, terrible use for them.  There are solely 2 advantages of an ev; they are fast as hell and you save a shit load of time and money avoiding the gas station.  Outside of that they are dumb and the second benefit turns into an Achilles heel if you use them for long over the road trips.

On 6/28/2024 at 11:54 PM, Deephaven said:

Then it is obvious what I stated.  Gas stations suck.  Huge waste of time.  If I could avoid them that'd be sweet.

 

23 hours ago, Deephaven said:

Except the charge time is fundamentally zero when you do it at home.  Gas stations you have to stand there and wait.  I didn't include the drive time to the gas station which is also substantial.  Again not talking about a highway cruiser but how most of us decide which is less than 200mi/day

Oh the fucking horror, I’ll bet you piss and shit yourself every time you pull into a gas station. Get a grip you miserable twat.

A million miles will put you at over 330 hours of pump time + drive time to and from the gas station which on average is even more.  It is a serious disadvantage to have to do that.  Obviously drives you nuts it is right based on your reply...