Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 27 Gold Member Posted June 27 Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/ Quote
Advertising Member Seatofmypants Posted June 27 Advertising Member Posted June 27 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/ So $1,500 a year....for 15k miles.... personally Ill spend an extra $1500 for range and time saved. I own a diesel FTIW Edited June 27 by Seatofmypants 3 Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 27 USA Donating Member Posted June 27 5 hours ago, Seatofmypants said: So $1,500 a year....for 15k miles.... personally Ill spend an extra $1500 for range and time saved. I own a diesel FTIW It's WAY more than that if you drive it like you stole it. That's when EV's pay off. They are not green, are worse on the environment, but they are fast and fun to drive. That is their ONLY positive. Quote
XCR1250 Posted June 27 Posted June 27 7 hours ago, BOHICA said: Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/ JUNK Quote
Gold Member BOHICA Posted June 27 Author Gold Member Posted June 27 2 hours ago, Deephaven said: It's WAY more than that if you drive it like you stole it. That's when EV's pay off. They are not green, are worse on the environment, but they are fast and fun to drive. That is their ONLY positive. Ya. Only thing really slightly comparable to my SUV would be a hellcat Durango or Jeep or a lambo urus which all cost more and have less performance and would be single digit mpg’s while trying to keep up while I’m in eco mode. 1 Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 27 USA Donating Member Posted June 27 You won't outrun them in eco mode. My sisters RSQ8 brats my buddies Rivian R1S in the 1/4 and even more so the further you go. And yes, horseshit mileage while doing it. Same motor is in my car and I regularly get less than 10 screwing around although your truck will suck a shitload of juice doing the same. Quote
Not greg b Posted June 28 Posted June 28 12 hours ago, BOHICA said: Pickups of the EV type have around $10,000 in fuel savings per 100,000 miles when compared to gas only pickups https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1348-june-24-2024-larger-vehicles-have-greater-potential-fuel-cost?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery https://insideevs.com/news/724643/electrification-vehicle-fuel-cost-savings-potential/ Usually the cost to get an ev is more than the fuel savings. I Used the same tactics back in 2008 to sell them. After the dust settled there was not any savings from not using gas as the machine was at it the end of its usable life by the time it broke even. The hybrid version was the way to go as it had a generator that ran the same electrical system/drive as the battery unit and was a lot cheap to buy. It also used next to nothing for gas or diesel because the gen set pretty much idled. 1 Quote
XCR1250 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 EVs fare poorly in J.D. Power quality survey; Ram and Porsche top the rankings Despite a reputation for less maintenance, EVs get dragged down by advanced tech One of the most popular talking points from EV evangelists is that they require less maintenance and are cheaper to operate than gas vehicles. The 2024 Initial Quality Study from J.D. Power suggests that might not be the case, however, as EV owners report many more problems than their gas-owning counterparts. The organization rates vehicles based on the number of problems there are per 100 units (PP100). This year, the 38th year of the study, gas and diesel vehicles averaged 180 PP100, compared to 266 PP100 for EVs and PHEVs. J.D. Power noted that even Tesla, the EV juggernaut, failed to perform well in this year’s study, as its customers report issues with funky turn signals and wiper controls. Electric vehicles often have more advanced tech features than gas models do, which can complicate the early ownership experience. EVs clocked many more in-vehicle technology problems than similar gas vehicles, with 30 percent more problems reported for things like controls, infotainment, and more. Other issues caused problems for both gas and electric vehicle owners. Advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) can cause false warnings, irritating drivers and causing stress unnecessarily. Rear-seat reminders, which sound an alert to check for pets, kids, and other items, added 1.7 PP100 to vehicle scores across the survey, and some owners reported thinking that the reminders related to seatbelts, not forgotten back-seat passengers. Additionally, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto – two of the most popular new-vehicle features – were in the top 10 problems for new vehicle owners. Buyers said they’d had difficulties connecting their phones or keeping them connected, a significant issue when more than half of Apple users and 42 percent of Samsung users said they used the technologies. While the survey illustrates that EVs are not problem-free, it shouldn’t be taken as an indication that the electric powertrain is the cause of the somewhat negative responses. Automakers pack electric models with the latest tech and go over-the-top with design and ergonomics to make them feel more futuristic and appealing, which can complicate the ownership experience. The trend shows no signs of slowing down, but J.D. Power’s study showed that it might be a good idea for automakers to pump the brakes a bit. 1 Quote
mnstang Posted June 28 Posted June 28 I didn't click the link. Does that savings include the down time for refueling each vehicle? Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 28 USA Donating Member Posted June 28 Considering the average stop for gas is 8min if you never need a public charger at 20mpg with a 20gal tank for 100,000miles the ICE vehicle will require 33 hours more fueling time than the electric car. 1 Quote
mnstang Posted June 28 Posted June 28 7 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Considering the average stop for gas is 8min if you never need a public charger at 20mpg with a 20gal tank for 100,000miles the ICE vehicle will require 33 hours more fueling time than the electric car. I speak English and use English language sentence structure. Are you trying to say an ice vehicle has more refueling time than an EV? Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 29 USA Donating Member Posted June 29 6 hours ago, mnstang said: I speak English and use English language sentence structure. Are you trying to say an ice vehicle has more refueling time than an EV? Then it is obvious what I stated. Gas stations suck. Huge waste of time. If I could avoid them that'd be sweet. Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 29 USA Donating Member Posted June 29 You obviously suck at math. Quote
mnstang Posted June 29 Posted June 29 39 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Then it is obvious what I stated. Gas stations suck. Huge waste of time. If I could avoid them that'd be sweet. EV's have worse range per battery than comparable ice vehicle has. And charge times are a whole lot longer than your 8 minute figure. I always always in the advanced/honors math classes. Judging by your horrible logic I'm guessing you had some issues. 1 Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 29 USA Donating Member Posted June 29 Except the charge time is fundamentally zero when you do it at home. Gas stations you have to stand there and wait. I didn't include the drive time to the gas station which is also substantial. Again not talking about a highway cruiser but how most of us decide which is less than 200mi/day Quote
ArcticCrusher Posted June 29 Posted June 29 14 hours ago, mnstang said: I speak English and use English language sentence structure. Are you trying to say an ice vehicle has more refueling time than an EV? Well he is retarded. 1 Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 29 USA Donating Member Posted June 29 You've never been able to do math so no surprise there Quote
XCR1250 Posted June 29 Posted June 29 46 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Except the charge time is fundamentally zero when you do it at home. Gas stations you have to stand there and wait. I didn't include the drive time to the gas station which is also substantial. Again not talking about a highway cruiser but how most of us decide which is less than 200mi/day Gas stations are on the way whenever you go anywhere. Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 30 USA Donating Member Posted June 30 14 hours ago, XCR1250 said: Gas stations are on the way whenever you go anywhere. If you add up the time you waste going to one you will surprise yourself. It is always at least a 5min detour for me both directions. There can be exceptions, but it is rare. Even 5min x 2500 fill ups is A LOT of time... Quote
XCR1250 Posted June 30 Posted June 30 1 minute ago, Deephaven said: If you add up the time you waste going to one you will surprise yourself. It is always at least a 5min detour for me both directions. There can be exceptions, but it is rare. Even 5min x 2500 fill ups is A LOT of time... No detours for us, gas stations are on the way where ever we go, wife gases up once every 2 weeks me once sometimes once maybe twice a month. Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 30 USA Donating Member Posted June 30 It always convenient to stop and waste 10-15 min as well. The argument on time against EVs is the dumbest argument ever. They are way faster to fill if you aren't going over 200mi/day. Arguing differently is sheer stupidity. Quote
Not greg b Posted June 30 Posted June 30 1 hour ago, Deephaven said: It always convenient to stop and waste 10-15 min as well. The argument on time against EVs is the dumbest argument ever. They are way faster to fill if you aren't going over 200mi/day. Arguing differently is sheer stupidity. You know ev are good for is going from point a to point b back and forth. Long trips hell no. They do break down as much as gas powered vehicles. People don’t understand that Quote
USA Donating Member Deephaven Posted June 30 USA Donating Member Posted June 30 6 hours ago, Not greg b said: You know ev are good for is going from point a to point b back and forth. Long trips hell no. They do break down as much as gas powered vehicles. People don’t understand that Yep, terrible use for them. There are solely 2 advantages of an ev; they are fast as hell and you save a shit load of time and money avoiding the gas station. Outside of that they are dumb and the second benefit turns into an Achilles heel if you use them for long over the road trips. Quote
snoughnut Posted June 30 Posted June 30 On 6/28/2024 at 11:54 PM, Deephaven said: Then it is obvious what I stated. Gas stations suck. Huge waste of time. If I could avoid them that'd be sweet. 23 hours ago, Deephaven said: Except the charge time is fundamentally zero when you do it at home. Gas stations you have to stand there and wait. I didn't include the drive time to the gas station which is also substantial. Again not talking about a highway cruiser but how most of us decide which is less than 200mi/day Oh the fucking horror, I’ll bet you piss and shit yourself every time you pull into a gas station. Get a grip you miserable twat. 1 Quote
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