Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Bet the dems still love him. Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy. “On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.” Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.” Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers. First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda. Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.” Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism. Kennedy’s motives? “Like other rational people,” the memorandum explained, “[Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations.” But that high-minded concern represented only one of Kennedy’s motives. “Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988,” the memorandum continued. “Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.” Kennedy proved eager to deal with Andropov–the leader of the Soviet Union, a former director of the KGB and a principal mover in both the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the suppression of the 1968 Prague Spring–at least in part to advance his own political prospects. In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.” “The document,” Kengor continues, “has stood the test of time. I scrutinized it more carefully than anything I’ve ever dealt with as a scholar. I showed the document to numerous authorities who deal with Soviet archival material. No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.” Why bring all this up now? No evidence exists that Andropov ever acted on the memorandum–within eight months, the Soviet leader would be dead–and now that Kennedy himself has died even many of the former senator’s opponents find themselves grieving. Yet precisely because Kennedy represented such a commanding figure–perhaps the most compelling liberal of our day–we need to consider his record in full. Doing so, it turns out, requires pondering a document in the archives of the politburo. When President Reagan chose to confront the Soviet Union, calling it the evil empire that it was, Sen. Edward Kennedy chose to offer aid and comfort to General Secretary Andropov. On the Cold War, the greatest issue of his lifetime, Kennedy got it wrong. https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html Edited June 13, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 lmao....as usual no link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 So you do support Putin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: lmao....as usual no link It's like playing cards with my brother's kids in here. Here you go MC. https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mainecat said: lmao....as usual no link He shouldn't need one. If you don't even know that much history of your hero Ted Kennedy, you should recuse yourself from all discussions about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 This is so 1980s.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 13, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mainecat said: lmao....as usual no link https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/oct/27/20061027-084248-4386r/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 13, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 13, 2017 Dumpers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, SnowRider said: Dumpers Yah cuz blatant obvious evidence of actual collusion not FAKENEWS and fabricated bullshit is grasping at straws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 MC ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, f7ben said: MC ????? @Mainecat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: @Mainecat why in god's name are you following these dumb fucks down the rabbit hole? are you trying to impress ben or something? i refuse to believe you're this fucking dumb. there are some major differences between these two incidents. if you don't know what they are say so and i'll tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: why in god's name are you following these dumb fucks down the rabbit hole? are you trying to impress ben or something? i refuse to believe you're this fucking dumb. there are some major differences between these two incidents. if you don't know what they are say so and i'll tell you. Funny thing is most think you're dumb.... Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: why in god's name are you following these dumb fucks down the rabbit hole? are you trying to impress ben or something? i refuse to believe you're this fucking dumb. there are some major differences between these two incidents. if you don't know what they are say so and i'll tell you. No, I just find fucking with @Mainecat hilarious. Chill out man. Watching him flounder around is excellent entertainment. DAT OL ASS BIATCH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 5 hours ago, SnowRider said: Dumpers More irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 nobody is claiming that setting up "secret channels" with a foreign nation is 100% wrong. it's the way the trump admin did it, when they did it, how they did it, and where they were going to do it. or does none of that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: No, I just find fucking with @Mainecat hilarious. Chill out man. Watching him flounder around is excellent entertainment. DAT OL ASS BIATCH! no you're not, you're siding with ben and some other disphits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: nobody is claiming that setting up "secret channels" with a foreign nation is 100% wrong. it's the way the trump admin did it, when they did it, how they did it, and where they were going to do it. or does none of that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: no you're not, you're siding with ben and some other disphits. LOL WUT!? I have been fucking with MC for months now. Fun fact. Didn't even read the article. Fun fact number two, suck on my balls slingblade!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: LOL WUT!? I have been fucking with MC for months now. Fun fact. Didn't even read the article. Fun fact number two, suck on my balls slingblade!!!!! Liberal paranoia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: LOL WUT!? I have been fucking with MC for months now. Fun fact. Didn't even read the article. Fun fact number two, suck on my balls slingblade!!!!! there's not any room left, ben's got his mouth around both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: nobody is claiming that setting up "secret channels" with a foreign nation is 100% wrong. it's the way the trump admin did it, when they did it, how they did it, and where they were going to do it. or does none of that matter? Oh ....so now you are into projecting "intent" without wrongdoing???? You were all about smoke but no fire before but now that its the other side its just takes a few puffs of the white stuff and you are breaking the glass???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, Snoslinger said: there's not any room left, ben's got his mouth around both of them. Have you seen Ben's mouth? It's huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, FAT DAVE said: dude stick to quads and cheetos and leave the politics to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Have you seen Ben's mouth? It's huge. i should have said his beaker is in the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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