Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted April 26 Gold Member Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Thanks to how things are at the border they are basically impossible to hire now. They cost around $30/hr here and getting them up for the season is near impossible. My local CSA had to stop their weekly shares because they can't get enough help. They've had some of the same H-2A workers for more than 20 years, but thanks to the current last two administrations they can't get here. Even more sad is that locals won't even show up for $30/hr. How things are at the border and impossible to hire aka it’s cheaper for companies to exploit illegals than do it legitimately. It’s pretty simple in my mind deport and stop illegal immigration it fixes multiple issues cost to the us tax payer, crime, and will make greedy businesses pay a decent wage instead of using cheap illegals to boost their profits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted April 26 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 26 Deeps stupid comparison ...It's like saying a house infested with 100 mice and 10 caught in traps one year. Leaving 90 mice That same house has 1,000 mice the next year and 200 are caught in traps. Leaving 800 mice. Oh but on a percentage basis that second example is higher.... Effin idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: The Repubs own this issue. You’re cracked in the head. How many EO’s of trump’s did Biden fail to support having to do with border security? Why did he do that? I doubt that you’ll answer this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 21 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Thanks to how things are at the border they are basically impossible to hire now. They cost around $30/hr here and getting them up for the season is near impossible. My local CSA had to stop their weekly shares because they can't get enough help. They've had some of the same H-2A workers for more than 20 years, but thanks to the current last two administrations they can't get here. Even more sad is that locals won't even show up for $30/hr. Those employers should perch themselves in front of any Walmart. 75% of the people coming out the door don’t even speak English. Most of them are on SNAP. It’s a fucking disgrace and isn’t going to end well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Those employers should perch themselves in front of any Walmart. 75% of the people coming out the door don’t even speak English. Most of them are on SNAP. It’s a fucking disgrace and isn’t going to end well. Wife works at Walmart, this is not the case here anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 37 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: How things are at the border and impossible to hire aka it’s cheaper for companies to exploit illegals than do it legitimately. It’s pretty simple in my mind deport and stop illegal immigration it fixes multiple issues cost to the us tax payer, crime, and will make greedy businesses pay a decent wage instead of using cheap illegals to boost their profits. I was describing legitimate employment. Farms that pick vegetables with hand labor cannot have someone come in and deport their whole work force. I also wouldn't support one that did it illegally. These are legal H-2A workers we were discussing. The US has made that very hard which of course is going to have others start to look for how to do whatever they need either way. Americans have become lazy and entitled sadly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 35 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Deeps stupid comparison ...It's like saying a house infested with 100 mice and 10 caught in traps one year. Leaving 90 mice That same house has 1,000 mice the next year and 200 are caught in traps. Leaving 800 mice. Oh but on a percentage basis that second example is higher.... Effin idiot. You suck at analogies as well. It's rather simple. Both suck at the border. Your claim that Trump is the border king and will fix this is absurd. He proved he was no better of a mouse catcher than Biden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted April 26 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 26 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Deephaven said: You suck at analogies as well. It's rather simple. Both suck at the border. Your claim that Trump is the border king and will fix this is absurd. He proved he was no better of a mouse catcher than Biden. Yeah ok.....numbers were far different 4 years ago....no matter how you try to spin it. Remain in Mexico and Mexico patrolling it's own border helped tremendously. Edited April 26 by ViperGTS/Z1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Regardless if less came in or not we have a problem within our borders and until that is resolved what happens outside of them is pointless. Trump sucked at this within our borders just as bad as Biden does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Again, the majority of Americans are for it and Trump will run with this. The immigration issue will be a huge player on who wins election. you again failed to answer my questions or acknowledge immigration is a political weapon both parties utilize. 1 hour ago, Deephaven said: It's so easy Biden has sent back more of them and a higher percentage of them than Trump did. the influx coming in according to CBP has been higher, so Joey owns that one imo 55 minutes ago, 800renegaderider said: How things are at the border and impossible to hire aka it’s cheaper for companies to exploit illegals than do it legitimately. It’s pretty simple in my mind deport and stop illegal immigration it fixes multiple issues cost to the us tax payer, crime, and will make greedy businesses pay a decent wage instead of using cheap illegals to boost their profits. corporate America is complicit as are contractors, landscapers, small farmers, etc 17 minutes ago, Deephaven said: I was describing legitimate employment. Farms that pick vegetables with hand labor cannot have someone come in and deport their whole work force. I also wouldn't support one that did it illegally. These are legal H-2A workers we were discussing. The US has made that very hard which of course is going to have others start to look for how to do whatever they need either way. Americans have become lazy and entitled sadly. imagine the price increases of pork, beef and poultry if mass deportation occured. one issue (again) is that most Americans (main street) is completely oblivious regarding where/how/who provides the goods and services they consume. how many kids fresh out of high school would take a job in a slaughterhouse in June for prevailing wages... or even $100 an hour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said: the influx coming in according to CBP has been higher, so Joey owns that one imo I've never claimed differently. The stupidity on the right however thinking their side is doing a good job is absurd. Both sides suck massive dick when it comes to dealing with immigrants once they are here. Until that is fixed what happens at the border is almost irrelevant. Obviously working on both sides is important, but the most critical is what happens after as that will be the biggest deterrent to those coming illegally in the first place. Right now potential illegals laugh at what could happen and that has to be fixed. Trump showed he sucked at that, Biden shows he sucks period. Neither are the right choice to deal with the situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Deephaven said: I've never claimed differently. The stupidity on the right however thinking their side is doing a good job is absurd. Both sides suck massive dick when it comes to dealing with immigrants once they are here. Until that is fixed what happens at the border is almost irrelevant. Obviously working on both sides is important, but the most critical is what happens after as that will be the biggest deterrent to those coming illegally in the first place. Right now potential illegals laugh at what could happen and that has to be fixed. Trump showed he sucked at that, Biden shows he sucks period. Neither are the right choice to deal with the situation. yup... it's a political tool utilized by either side. they have no intention of fixing it or doing 'something'. hence, Trump and the R's killing the recent bipartisan bill that wasn't 'perfect'. imo, pass the f'ng bill, then enhance it afterwards. a non starter retains the status quo which as pointed out is unacceptable to 'main street'. 'we' suck at solving problems here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 There was a video years ago guy picks up "Workers" at one of the Big box home improvement stores and drives them to a I.C.E. detention center and starts beeping his horn as he's pulling into the parking lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted April 26 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Jerry 976 said: There was a video years ago guy picks up "Workers" at one of the Big box home improvement stores and drives them to a I.C.E. detention center and starts beeping his horn as he's pulling into the parking lot. That'll clear out the Home Depot lots pretty quickly in the A.M. where they wait... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member ViperGTS/Z1 Posted April 26 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 26 7 minutes ago, Jerry 976 said: There was a video years ago guy picks up "Workers" at one of the Big box home improvement stores and drives them to a I.C.E. detention center and starts beeping his horn as he's pulling into the parking lot. Lmao 🤣....here it is right here... nothing to do with Trump but this is hilarious. I would buy that guy a years supply of whatever he's drinking..... Hitting speed bumps and swerving with the Beaners in the back too. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said: Lmao 🤣....here it is right here... nothing to do with Trump but this is hilarious. I would buy that guy a years supply of whatever he's drinking..... Hitting speed bumps and swerving with the Beaners in the back too. That's the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: who's going to pick my vegetables? same people that picked them before.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, Deephaven said: You suck at analogies as well. It's rather simple. Both suck at the border. Your claim that Trump is the border king and will fix this is absurd. He proved he was no better of a mouse catcher than Biden. Trump was a xenophobe!!!!!1111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: You’re cracked in the head. How many EO’s of trump’s did Biden fail to support having to do with border security? Why did he do that? I doubt that you’ll answer this. Bring the bipartisan bill up in the house. The Repubs have stopped it. Now who’s responsible? I answered your question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Bring the bipartisan bill up in the house. The Repubs have stopped it. Now who’s responsible? I answered your question. Why are you afraid to answer his question? You'd had made a good ballerina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Bring the bipartisan bill up in the house. The Repubs have stopped it. Now who’s responsible? I answered your question. If it was a bipartisan bill it would’ve passed. The bill was mixed with funding to Israel and Ukraine along with allowing an unacceptable amount of illegals into the country. It was a non starter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: If it was a bipartisan bill it would’ve passed. The bill was mixed with funding to Israel and Ukraine along with allowing an unacceptable amount of illegals into the country. It was a non starter. It’s a stand alone bill. It sits because Trump told the speaker not to even bring it to the floor for a discussion. The republicans own the border problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Mainecat said: It’s a stand alone bill. It sits because Trump told the speaker not to even bring it to the floor for a discussion. The republicans own the border problem. No it was not a stand alone bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: No it was not a stand alone bill. It is now. Ukraine and Israel funding was approved. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Mainecat said: It is now. Ukraine and Israel funding was approved. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal Of course it was approved now. It didnt include the border issue. The republicans don’t want a border solution. They are fine having millions of zombies cross the border so they can try and hang it around Biden’s neck in election. By contrast, the Dems brought a border bill forward that was loaded with extra bullshit. They knew that the GOP would vote it down. They did that so they could say the GOP rejected a border bill. Are you so stupid that you can’t see how both parties operate. I swear, I’m the only one smart enough to see this. Edited April 26 by ActionfigureJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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