Crnr2Crnr Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/former-auto-executives-warn-electric-vehicle-push-happened-too-soon-too-fast Gee, ya think so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Ontario is balls deep in this fucking mess. Our "conservative" government watched the green energy fiasco go down under the previous liberal government and railed against it. They then throw tens of billions into EV's and batteries. Might as well have burned that money and got some heat out of it. What is in the bloody water at Queens park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted April 16 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 16 Theirs a lot of uncertainty right now in program development. Programs that were being pushed a couple months at a time but now some are talking years. Possible redesigning some as hybrids or flat out cancelation. ICE vehicles development still moving forward lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Tesla is cutting more than 10% of its workforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Why are they former employees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 No way. Every conservative in the US and others warned of this, but the liberals keep pushing their idiocy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 20 minutes ago, racer254 said: No way. Every conservative in the US and others warned of this, but the liberals keep pushing their idiocy. pushed too hard and too fast EVs are like abortions, it should be of free will and of personal choice. let the free market economy sort it out... like gas prices see what I did there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 For every EV on the road that’s one less tank of gas. Great for supply and demand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: pushed too hard and too fast EVs are like abortions, it should be of free will and of personal choice. let the free market economy sort it out... like gas prices see what I did there? Exactly, the supreme court left abortion up to the states. Take more people out of the equation and let the free market of the individual states figure it out. Pretty cut and dried and we both agree. Edited April 17 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 4 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: For every EV on the road that’s one less tank of gas. Great for supply and demand. 90% of EV owners have an ICE vehicle as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: 90% of EV owners have an ICE vehicle as well. So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: So? EV's are more of an "extra" vehicle that drains more on the energy grid, they are not saving anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 22 minutes ago, racer254 said: EV's are more of an "extra" vehicle that drains more on the energy grid, they are not saving anything. Nonsense. It’s a very practical, efficient, and cost savings vehicle for many. Pull your head out of your ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Nonsense. It’s a very practical, efficient, and cost savings vehicle for many. Pull your head out of your ass. The only people that can afford them are for people that want a 2nd car. Get your facts straight. BTW, do you have one? I rest my case. Edited April 18 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 3 minutes ago, racer254 said: The only people that can afford them are for people that want a 2nd car. Get your facts straight. BTW, do you have one? I rest my case. opinion or fact? I'm gunna go with opinion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Nonsense. It’s a very practical, efficient, and cost savings vehicle for many. Pull your head out of your ass. highly efficient gov't grant $$$$ to boot! What'a fucking treat, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 21 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: opinion or fact? I'm gunna go with opinion... Prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 6 minutes ago, racer254 said: Prove me wrong. ok retard... https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/ctd/d/griffith-2013-tesla-model-p85-p03501/7737730273.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 50 minutes ago, racer254 said: The only people that can afford them are for people that want a 2nd car. Get your facts straight. BTW, do you have one? I rest my case. My nephew lives in Minneapolis. He purchased a Kia EV last year after selling a CRV. He’s been on a trip out west and several to the family lake home in Price Co. He loves it. He has no intentions on getting another ICE. There’s a lot of people just like him. I think at the point the EV market is approaching saturation. Sales are cooling, but will still increase, but slowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 23 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: ok retard... https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/ctd/d/griffith-2013-tesla-model-p85-p03501/7737730273.html Try again. That proves shit. You really are some lib POS Higher-income households (earning over $100,000 annually) account for 56% of EV owners in the United States. Only 4% of EV owners in the U.S. have a household income of under $25,000 per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 29 minutes ago, racer254 said: Try again. That proves shit. You really are some lib POS Higher-income households (earning over $100,000 annually) account for 56% of EV owners in the United States. Only 4% of EV owners in the U.S. have a household income of under $25,000 per year. Higher income households always support emerging technologies. Flat screen tv’s, EV vehicles, first PC’s, first laptops, car phones, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 78% of EV owners also have a gas-powered vehicle in their household While 78% of EV owner households also have a second gas-powered vehicle, the number of overall households with two or more cars has increased substantially, to 58% in 2017 from 22% in 1960. So while nearly 6 in 10 households have access to a second vehicle, nearly 8 in 10 early-adopting buyers of EVs have at least one or more other vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 11 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Nonsense. It’s a very practical, efficient, and cost savings vehicle for many. Pull your head out of your ass. Do they come in a van model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Do they come in a van model? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 9 hours ago, racer254 said: Try again. That proves shit. You really are some lib POS Higher-income households (earning over $100,000 annually) account for 56% of EV owners in the United States. Only 4% of EV owners in the U.S. have a household income of under $25,000 per year. what percentage of Americans make under $25k annually... and for those that are they're not buying ANY new car, ICE or EV. as I've stated before, if manu's want to offer EV's and/or Hybrids and people want to buy them... fine with me. let the free market determine the outcome. I'm fully opposed to mandates and EV/Hybrid tax credits though... especially under the guise of 'climate change'. same philosophy applies to wind and solar. want an EV or Hybrid? there's plenty of used ones out there for pennies on the dollar of what they were new. here... https://www.carfax.com/Used-Tesla_m60 653 used Tesla's under $30k within 500 miles of my zip code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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