Shitbag fucking cowards. 

 

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MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Ten Republicans who posed as fake electors for former President Donald Trump in Wisconsin and filed paperwork falsely saying he had won the battleground state have settled a civil lawsuit and admitted their actions were part of an effort to overturn President Joe Biden’s victory, attorneys who filed the case announced Wednesday.

Under the agreement, the fake electors acknowledged that Biden won the state, withdrew their filings and agreed not to serve as presidential electors in 2024 or any other election where Trump is on the ballot.

The 10 fake electors agreed to send a statement to the government offices that received the Electoral College votes saying that their actions were “part of an attempt to improperly overturn the 2020 presidential election results.”

The settlement marks the first time that any Trump electors have revoked their filings sent to Congress purporting that Trump had won in seven battleground states. Nevada on Wednesday became the third state to criminally charge fake electors, following Georgia and Michigan. Trump faces charges in Georgia and in a federal investigation of his conduct related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

 

The settlement was announced by Law Forward, Georgetown University Law Center’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection and the Madison-based Stafford Rosenbaum law firm.

“Americans believe in democracy and the idea that the people choose their leaders through elections,” said Jeff Mandell, one of the attorneys who brought the case on behalf of Democratic voters, including two who served as Biden electors. “The defendants’ actions violated those bedrock principles. We brought this case to ensure that they are held accountable.”

There is no known criminal investigation ongoing in Wisconsin. Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul has signaled that he is relying on federal investigators to look into what happened in Wisconsin, while also not ruling out a state probe.

Democrats brought the lawsuit last year seeking $2.4 million in damages from 10 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring Trump as the 2020 election winner in Wisconsin. They also sued two of Trump’s attorneys, including one who has already pleaded guilty to other charges stemming from the 2020 election in Georgia.

The case was scheduled to go to a trial by jury in September 2024, two months before the presidential election.

Under the deal, the fake electors don’t pay any damages or attorneys fees and there is no admission of wrongdoing or liability.

The Wisconsin GOP electors have long said that they were partaking in the plan in case a court later ruled that Trump had won the state. One of the fake electors, former Wisconsin state Republican Chairman Andrew Hitt, repeated that position in a statement Wednesday.

“The Wisconsin electors were tricked and misled into participating in what became the alternate elector scheme and would have never taken any actions had we known that there were ulterior reasons beyond preserving an ongoing legal strategy,” he said. Hitt said he has been working with the Justice Department since May of 2022 and he will not be supporting Trump in 2024.

The fake elector plan hatched in seven battleground states was central to the federal indictment filed against Trump earlier in August that alleged he tried to overturn results of the 2020 election. Federal prosecutors said the scheme originated in Wisconsin.

Fake electors met in Wisconsin and six other states where Trump was defeated in 2020 and signed certificates that falsely stated Trump, not Biden, won their states. The fake certificates were ignored.

One of the attorneys named in the Wisconsin lawsuit, Kenneth Chesebro, pleaded guilty to a felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents after being charged with participating in efforts to overturn Trump’s loss in Georgia. Chesebro was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law.

The Wisconsin lawsuit cites a memo Chesebro sent to Trump’s attorney in Wisconsin, Jim Troupis, in November 2020 detailing the elector plan.

Under the settlement, the 10 fake electors promised to assist the Department of Justice with its ongoing investigation. They also agreed to help the Democrats as they continue their lawsuit against Troupis and Chesebro.

Troupis and Chesebro did not return voicemail messages seeking comment.

The fake electors also released nearly 600 pages of documents related to their scheme, under terms of the settlement.

Those show one Republican involved with the fake elector plot texting another one referring to their action declaring Trump the winner of Wisconsin as a “possible steal.” The sender said they felt compelled to go along with the plan or else Trump supporters would be upset and there “would be a target on my back.”

Government and outside investigationshave uniformly found there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have swung the election from Biden. Trump has continued to spread falsehoods about the 2020 election.

Electors are people appointed to represent voters in presidential elections. The winner of the popular vote in each state determines which party’s electors are sent to the Electoral College, which meets in December after the election to certify the outcome.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-fake-electors-wisconsin-fff7cd21e3083f300874eccd69141f8d

 

Just now, racer254 said:

Fake electors.  Another made up term for dipshits.

What were they then?

2 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Fake electors.  Another made up term for dipshits.

Is that why you used the term yesterday?

3 minutes ago, SSFB said:

Is that why you used the term yesterday?

Show me where the term was used prior to 2020

4 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Show me where the term was used prior to 2020

It wasn’t because nobody else tried to steal an election  

 

Self   

2 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

It wasn’t because nobody else tried to steal an election  

 

Self   

"If we could only find 11000 more votes..."

Ask a simple question and nothing but deflection.

15 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Ask a simple question and nothing but deflection.

Kind of like you on your oil/election comment the other night.

Edited December 8, 20231 yr by akvanden

9 hours ago, Deephaven said:

You should really pay attention to what really happened.  Biden softened the path to legal status, he temporarily removed the wait in mexico but switched back, expanded the family green card capability and such but has arrested something like 3 times the number of people crossing.  Both released similar percentages.

ie, Trump didn't fix shit on the border.  Biden definitely softened some things but they are unrelated to your problems with the border.  Both were bandaids as well.  Would be good to have a leader that would actually look at the root cause and resolve it.

He made no changes to the 10% and 35% bracket.  The 35% bracket is a good portion of the middle class.  So no, he did NOT lower taxes on every bracket.

So you're calling 231k to 578k middle class.  .... Tell you what buddy ...That's not the definition of middle class.   .... Bottom line is he decreased the tax bracket.... Except mainly on the wealthy and the poor who are already in a very low tax bracket.... Middle class actually benefited most

Edited December 9, 20231 yr by ViperGTS/Z1

$231k is middle class in San Francisco.

Have to say, I thought people made more money than they do after I looked.

13 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

$231k is middle class in San Francisco.

Have to say, I thought people made more money than they do after I looked.

Well we can't all be ballers like you........ And San Francisco can keep all their middle class.. apparently it's not enough to keep the shit off the streets

Edited December 9, 20231 yr by ViperGTS/Z1

Dang, I’m not even middle class anymore. I should get a butler! 

40 minutes ago, ViperGTS/Z1 said:

So you're calling 231k to 578k middle class.  .... Tell you what buddy ...That's not the definition of middle class.   .... Bottom line is he decreased the tax bracket.... Except mainly on the wealthy and the poor who are already in a very low tax bracket.... Middle class actually benefited most

Anything under 400g and over 50g is middle class these days. Jmo of course.

Either way, point is not a tax cut for everyone.

As for the border Viper.  What policy or change from Biden made it worse?  

13 hours ago, Deephaven said:

$231k is middle class in San Francisco.

Have to say, I thought people made more money than they do after I looked.

Sure, in San Francisco, you need at least that much to live in that hellscape.  Many other areas of the country thats living very well.

13 hours ago, Steve753 said:

Anything under 400g and over 50g is middle class these days. Jmo of course.

400 grand a year is in the 99th percentile of income, so not even close.

2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Sure, in San Francisco, you need at least that much to live in that hellscape.  Many other areas of the country thats living very well.

400 grand a year is in the 99th percentile of income, so not even close.

Thats why I said under chubby.

1 minute ago, Steve753 said:

Thats why I said under chubby.

You were still wrong Beavis.  

300-400k is not middle class GTFOH

1 minute ago, EvilBird said:

300-400k is not middle class GTFOH

300-400k isn't even middle class in Beverly Hills.

Just now, EvilBird said:

300-400k is not middle class GTFOH

It sure is. 

1 minute ago, Steve753 said:

It sure is. 

Do you understand what 99th percentile means?

 

1 minute ago, Steve753 said:

It sure is. 

If you said Upper Middle class maybe id agree. 

 

No wonder you look down on people with less money. 
 

So if I Guy makes 100k a year thats poor? 

200k more and that gets you middle class 

2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Do you understand what 99th percentile means?

 

Yes. Thats anyone making over 500g.

Just now, EvilBird said:

If you said Upper Middle class maybe id agree. 

 

No wonder you look down on people with less money. 
 

So if I Guy makes 100k a year thats poor? 

200k more and that gets you middle class 

My names not Dementiabusta. If youre happy with your income. Im happy for you. You’ll never see me play the im better than you game he does.

 

1 minute ago, Steve753 said:

My names not Dementiabusta. If youre happy with your income. Im happy for you. You’ll never see me play the im better than you game he does.

 

Who said anything about MY income....

All I know is I got friends I consider middle class and they are probably less than $100k 

Got friends that are closer to $400k and they live significantly different lives . 

Middle Class sure seems to have a wide definition nowdays . 

11 minutes ago, Steve753 said:

Yes. Thats anyone making over 500g.

Thanks for playing Steve.  

Income Percentile Calculator for the United States (dqydj.com)

What Income Is Considered Middle Class?

The Pew Research Center defines "middle class" as an income that ranges between two-thirds and double the median income. The exact boundaries of a middle-class income vary by family size and location, due to the geographical differences in cost of living. That works out to an annual income between $52,000 and $156,000 for a three-person household, as of 2020.4

10 minutes ago, Steve753 said:

My names not Dementiabusta. If youre happy with your income. Im happy for you. You’ll never see me play the im better than you game he does.

 

Oh really?  Holy self awareness....or lack thereof.  Mr. fuck you money, 400 grand a year is middle class, 3 Cadillacs, pay cash for a new F350 and takes 6 months off a year guy   Thanks for the morning laugh.