Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 minute ago, SkisNH said: Are you saying that your geographic proximity to the world's superpower doesn't afford you protection and partial eliminate the need for military spending? Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. Every nuclear weapon you guys don't own is pointed at you guys. That doesn't give us Canadians much comfort. We don't have enemies across the middle east and elsewhere because we try to change their way of life to suit our economic needs. The world doesn't need the US's protection, the world needs protection from the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Are you saying that your geographic proximity to the world's superpower doesn't afford you protection and partial eliminate the need for military spending? They sponge off us the same way they sponge off NATO. Canada... welfare recipients.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Snake said: They sponge off us the same way they sponge off NATO. Canada... welfare recipients.... Is it sponging when we are offering though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, HSR said: Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. Every nuclear weapon you guys don't own is pointed at you guys. That doesn't give us Canadians much comfort. We don't have enemies across the middle east and elsewhere because we try to change their way of life to suit our economic needs. The world doesn't need the US's protection, the world needs protection from the US Well you're wrong... It is the USA that thus far is keeping Taiwan free. It is the US that allowed South Korea to become free and prosperous....have we made mistakes? Absolutely 💯 % but the world is better off having the USA than without... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 minute ago, SkisNH said: Well you're wrong... It is the USA that thus far is keeping Taiwan free. It is the US that allowed South Korea to become free and prosperous....have we made mistakes? Absolutely 💯 % but the world is better off having the USA than without... It's the USA that made the Taliban what they are, It's the USA that made Iraq and Isis what they were. The list is long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Well you're wrong... It is the USA that thus far is keeping Taiwan free. It is the US that allowed South Korea to become free and prosperous....have we made mistakes? Absolutely 💯 % but the world is better off having the USA than without... Tell the people of Ukraine or Afghanistan that, I'm sure it will make them feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, HSR said: Tell the people of Ukraine or Afghanistan that, I'm sure it will make them feel better. Ukraine? While our government maybe perpetuating the proxy war we didn't start it. Had a stronger leader been in office I guarentee that Russia wouldn't have crossed that boarder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Just now, SkisNH said: Ukraine? While our government maybe perpetuating the proxy war we didn't start it. Had a stronger leader been in office I guarentee that Russia wouldn't have crossed that boarder. Wut? You don't think the US played a MAJOR part of what we are seeing today? If you would have kept your nose out of the Ukraine's business we wouldn't be where we are today, that's a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Steve753 said: It's the USA that made the Taliban what they are, It's the USA that made Iraq and Isis what they were. The list is long. Isis was a product of Syria...the taliban is what they are. They are a fucking scourge but atleast they kept themselves in Afghanistan. We absolutely screwed the pooch there....the poor women of that country and what they have to endure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 minute ago, HSR said: Wut? You don't think the US played a MAJOR part of what we are seeing today? If you would have kept your nose out of the Ukraine's business we wouldn't be where we are today, that's a fact. True, regime change and flirtation with nato surly didn't help but a strong leader would have prevented war. Once Biden signed off on Nord stream 2 and signaled weakness with the botched Afghanistan withdrawal it was a green light. Never would of crossed that boarder under Trump....BTW Trump was the modern epitome of peace through strength. He was the first in decades not to engage in unfettered military interventions 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: Shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, SkisNH said: True, regime change and flirtation with nato surly didn't help but a strong leader would have prevented war. Once Biden signed off on Nord stream 2 and signaled weakness with the botched Afghanistan withdrawal it was a green light. Never would of crossed that boarder under Trump....BTW Trump was the modern epitome of peace through strength. He was the first in decades not to engage in unfettered military interventions You don't actually think Putin was scared of Trump do you? Seriously? Again you talk about US influence where there is no need for it. MYOB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 Just now, SkisNH said: True, regime change and flirtation with nato surly didn't help but a strong leader would have prevented war. Once Biden signed off on Nord stream 2 and signaled weakness with the botched Afghanistan withdrawal it was a green light. Never would of crossed that boarder under Trump....BTW Trump was the modern epitome of peace through strength. He was the first in decades not to engage in unfettered military interventions This is all speculation on your hand. I do however believe Putin would've stayed out of Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, HSR said: You don't actually think Putin was scared of Trump do you? Seriously? Well he was driving the ship. There is no captain at the helm today and it shows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve753 said: This is all speculation on your hand. I do however believe Putin would've stayed out of Ukraine. It's possible, it's also possible Putin would have told Trump to go fuck his hat in which case I think the situation could be worse now with actual troops dying for another country needlessly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 42 minutes ago, HSR said: Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. Every nuclear weapon you guys don't own is pointed at you guys. That doesn't give us Canadians much comfort. We don't have enemies across the middle east and elsewhere because we try to change their way of life to suit our economic needs. The world doesn't need the US's protection, the world needs protection from the US Hsr finally says something legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, HSR said: It's possible, it's also possible Putin would have told Trump to go fuck his hat in which case I think the situation could be worse now with actual troops dying for another country needlessly. Why the pause from obama who had it all primed and ready to go for hill? Soon as it was clear biden was in the machine got ramped up to full speed again. If hill had won over trump the war would have started in 2017 without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Roosting said: Why the pause from obama who had it all primed and ready to go for hill? Soon as it was clear biden was in the machine got ramped up to full speed again. If hill had won over trump the war would have started in 2017 without a doubt. What threat could Trump have said that could have stopped this? More military action? Bigger response? Nuclear war? I don't buy it one bit. Putin does what Putin does, when he wants and where he wants. He's not scared of anyone. Including the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, HSR said: What threat could Trump have said that could have stopped this? More military action? Bigger response? Nuclear war? I don't buy it one bit. Putin does what Putin does, when he wants and where he wants. He's not scared of anyone. Including the US. Putin thinks like Trump does. It's gangster mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve753 said: Putin thinks like Trump does. It's gangster mentality. Yup two narcissistic assholes who will do whatever it takes to get their names written in the history books. Whether it's good or bad doesn't matter to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 hours ago, SkisNH said: Well you're wrong... It is the USA that thus far is keeping Taiwan free. Only because it serves their economic interests, not for democracy. Don't be so damn foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve753 said: This is all speculation on your hand. I do however believe Putin would've stayed out of Ukraine. https://jasoninstitute.com/how-nord-stream-2-emboldened-russia-to-invade-ukraine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, SkisNH said: https://jasoninstitute.com/how-nord-stream-2-emboldened-russia-to-invade-ukraine/ Oh wow that settles it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 Orange fat fuck would have given Ukraine to Putin and you guys call that strength while Putin calls him an orange asset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 hours ago, HSR said: What threat could Trump have said that could have stopped this? More military action? Bigger response? Nuclear war? I don't buy it one bit. Putin does what Putin does, when he wants and where he wants. He's not scared of anyone. Including the US. It's not trump but what the democrats were doing. The crimea invasion was the start of take what you want we will make noise but do nothing but make $$$ out of the back door selling arms. Biden is just the continuation of what obama started and what hilliary would have presided over if that guy didnt get in the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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