Mainecat Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221 Feb. 28, 2017, 8:36 PM EST / Updated Feb. 28, 2017, 8:39 PM EST By Ali Vitali President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 The mental illness thing and gun violence is just another sack of bullshit that the republicans float. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Mainecat said: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221 Feb. 28, 2017, 8:36 PM EST / Updated Feb. 28, 2017, 8:39 PM EST By Ali Vitali President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. And yet these same people voted for biden in the last election. 81 million!! Is there anything on the books regarding illegal immigrants purchasing guns? BTW, how come we never heard about gun violence during trump like we do now under the president who ran to UNIFY the country? Edited May 9, 2023 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 9, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) If these people answer honestly on their 4473 would they be denied? Why stop at these two why not make all mental health professionals submit patient information to the database? That will surely make people seek professional mental health help. Edited May 9, 2023 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 51 minutes ago, Highmark said: If these people answer honestly on their 4473 would they be denied? Why stop at these two why not make all mental health professionals submit patient information to the database? That will surely make people seek professional mental health help. About 7% of firearm purchasers are denied sale due to a history of mental illness. It might be a bit more since COVID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 9, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: About 7% of firearm purchasers are denied sale due to a history of mental illness. It might be a bit more since COVID. And less than 1 tenth of 1% who lie on their 4473 are ever prosecuted. Look no further than Hunter Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: The mental illness thing and gun violence is just another sack of bullshit that the republicans float. Wrong, you have to be mentally ill to kill somebody by any means, whether it's temporary or long term mental illness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 acres of guns America... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, snoughnut said: Wrong, you have to be mentally ill to kill somebody by any means, whether it's temporary or long term mental illness. Not true. There are individuals who are sociopathic. That isn’t considered a mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: And less than 1 tenth of 1% who lie on their 4473 are ever prosecuted. Look no further than Hunter Biden. You saw his 4473? You’re really something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Not true. There are individuals who are sociopathic. That isn’t considered a mental illness. Stop with the bullshit, I don't care what you want to label people. When you kill somebody else regardless of what you're labeled at the time, you are mentally ill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, snoughnut said: Stop with the bullshit, I don't care what you want to label people. When you kill somebody else regardless of what you're labeled at the time, you are mentally ill. It’s an important distinction. The courts determine if a person is not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. Sociopathy is not considered a mental defect like a mental illness such as paranoid schizophrenia. Sociopaths kill or injure for secondary gain. It’s not a label, it’s a distinction that all civilizations have recognized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 9, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, spin_dry said: You saw his 4473? You’re really something. Dude just stop. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/12/joe-biden-full-exclusive-interview-jake-tapper-tapperctn-sot-vpx.cnn https://reason.com/2022/10/12/the-consequences-that-hunter-biden-could-face-for-violating-arbitrary-gun-laws-should-give-his-father-pause/ In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper yesterday, President Joe Biden conceded that his son Hunter lied on a government form when he purchased a handgun in October 2018—a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The younger Biden was a crack cocaine user at the time, as recounted in his 2021 memoir Beautiful Things. Yet he answered no to this question on ATF Form 4473: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 And if they don't fill out the 4473 or can't, they just keep 500 bucks and in 36 minutes you are off the hook. Markus Allen, a reserve wide receiver on the Wisconsin football team, was arrested Saturday during the annual Mifflin Street Block Party. According to the Dane County Sherriff’s office, Allen was taken to the Dane County Jail but was eventually released on bail and has a court hearing on June 26. According to a report by Madison Police, a stolen handgun was recovered during the arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, racer254 said: And if they don't fill out the 4473 or can't, they just keep 500 bucks and in 36 minutes you are off the hook. Markus Allen, a reserve wide receiver on the Wisconsin football team, was arrested Saturday during the annual Mifflin Street Block Party. According to the Dane County Sherriff’s office, Allen was taken to the Dane County Jail but was eventually released on bail and has a court hearing on June 26. According to a report by Madison Police, a stolen handgun was recovered during the arrest. My son lived on Mifflin street in Madison when he was in college a few years ago. The party’s there were epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Highmark said: Dude just stop. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/10/12/joe-biden-full-exclusive-interview-jake-tapper-tapperctn-sot-vpx.cnn https://reason.com/2022/10/12/the-consequences-that-hunter-biden-could-face-for-violating-arbitrary-gun-laws-should-give-his-father-pause/ In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper yesterday, President Joe Biden conceded that his son Hunter lied on a government form when he purchased a handgun in October 2018—a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The younger Biden was a crack cocaine user at the time, as recounted in his 2021 memoir Beautiful Things. Yet he answered no to this question on ATF Form 4473: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?" I’m not as intimately involved with hunter’s case as you’ve apparently become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 hours ago, spin_dry said: The mental illness thing and gun violence is just another sack of bullshit that the republicans float. Lol yeah ok mass shooters are stable individuals who just happen to be having a off day . We know we know it's really the guns fault . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 hours ago, spin_dry said: Not true. There are individuals who are sociopathic. That isn’t considered a mental illness. Only to keep them in prison not a mental hospital . But really not sure what one I would rather be in . At least in prison if you don't get life they have to let you out at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 9, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 hours ago, spin_dry said: Not true. There are individuals who are sociopathic. That isn’t considered a mental illness. It isn't ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, steve from amherst said: It isn't ? Personality disordered individuals are still responsible for their decisions. They are not psychotic or delusional. They can determine right from wrong and understand reality. A treating therapist can’t bill insurance for any of the three personality disorder clusters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 9, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 9, 2023 strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: strange Why is it strange that exploitation and abuse of another doesn’t represent mental illness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted May 9, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 9, 2023 Look people....we don't have a mental health problem! We have a gun problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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