Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 https://cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/americans-spent-more-taxes-2021-food-clothing-and-health-care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 But the useless idiots here are all convinced that we need more taxes. And remember a tax moratorium was not going to help according to many of those same idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted September 14, 2022 USA Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Highmark said: https://cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/americans-spent-more-taxes-2021-food-clothing-and-health-care Jesus, just work more. Plenty of jobs out there now. We have a migrant base just dieing to climb a fence and pick avocados for $1.50/hour and then work at Burger King at night and the rest of the country is bitching when they can't swing Starbucks because their triple latte went up $2.00. It's expensive to support a country like this along with donating to a military conflict in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Who the fuck spends almost $2k on clothes in a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: Who the fuck spends almost $2k on clothes in a year? That's easy to spend. Especially if you're into sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 GOP’ers bitched about their taxes to Jesus in his day. It never ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, Steve753 said: That's easy to spend. Especially if you're into sports. Ok. Whatever floats yer boat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: Ok. Whatever floats yer boat It's all relative, you buy gadgets for vans, some people buy lots of clothes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Who the fuck spends almost $2k on clothes in a year? Families Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Who the fuck spends almost $2k on clothes in a year? Couples or Families. Average number in consumer unit: People ......................................................................................................... 2.4 Children under 18 ........................................................................................ .6 https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables/calendar-year/mean/cu-all-detail-2021.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, Anler said: Families This is per person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 14, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: This is per person. Try again. https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables/calendar-year/mean/cu-all-detail-2021.pdf During 2021, according to Table R-1 in the BLS’ Consumer Expenditure Survey, American “consumer units” spent an average of $15,495.28 on food, clothing and health care combined, while paying an average of $16,729.73 in total taxes to federal, state and local governments. Edited September 14, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: This is per person. Ok mom, dad, son, daughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Couples or Families. Average number in consumer unit: People ......................................................................................................... 2.4 Children under 18 ........................................................................................ .6 https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables/calendar-year/mean/cu-all-detail-2021.pdf That makes more sense. I shop at St Vinnies for apparel other than shoes and boots. I’m at maybe $400 yr. Edited September 14, 2022 by spin_dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 5 hours ago, racer254 said: But the useless idiots here are all convinced that we need more taxes. And remember a tax moratorium was not going to help according to many of those same idiots. How would a tax moratorium help someone who has no taxable income? You never answer the question .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: How would a tax moratorium help someone who has no taxable income? You never answer the question .... I have answered it MULTIPLE TIMES. Go back and do a search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: I have answered it MULTIPLE TIMES. Go back and do a search. Nope , that’s all you ever say. You never answered it because there is no answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: Nope , that’s all you ever say. You never answered it because there is no answer. Who cares, it isn't ever going to happen. You apparently don't think the unemployed pay taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, racer254 said: Who cares, it isn't ever going to happen. You apparently don't think the unemployed pay taxes. The unemployed pay no income taxes , especially in a short term situation of unemployment such as being forced out of your job because of covid lockdowns. Now explain how an income tax moratorium helps someone forced from their job due to a lockdown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 14, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, spin_dry said: That makes more sense. I shop at St Vinnies for apparel other than shoes and boots. I’m at maybe $400 yr. You cruise around looking like a fucking vagabond? Shit I spend $300 on my workboots and buy 2 pair a yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: The unemployed pay no income taxes , especially in a short term situation of unemployment such as being forced out of your job because of covid lockdowns. Now explain how an income tax moratorium helps someone forced from their job due to a lockdown... Do you realize that loan forgiveness can be considered income and taxed as such? Do you realize that there are people that lost jobs that still owned rental property and that is considered income? Neither of these 2 examples need to have a job, but an income tax moratorium would still help. How many times are you going to ask this same question or do you understand that job and income are not necessarily 100% linked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 14, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 14, 2022 Kind of weird how some posters seem upset that people pay taxes but also are upset when people take advantage of credits and deduction to lower that individuals tax burden…. Kind of hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, racer254 said: Do you realize that loan forgiveness can be considered income and taxed as such? Do you realize that there are people that lost jobs that still owned rental property and that is considered income? Neither of these 2 examples need to have a job, but an income tax moratorium would still help. How many times are you going to ask this same question or do you understand that job and income are not necessarily 100% linked. I’m talking about the millions of low income people with very little asset that were forced out of their service sector job. You know , the bulk of the people that were hurt by covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, f7ben said: I’m talking about the millions of low income people with very little asset that were forced out of their service sector job. You know , the bulk of the people that were hurt by covid. So the bulk of the people effected by covid are not the same American consumer that this article is talking about? You do realize what averages are. It is interesting how in one thread you are talking about UPS drivers making 100k plus, but they can't find people, yet in this one you seem to forget that and talk about these millions of low income people that were forced out of a job by covid. American consumer units were paying an average $16,729.73 in net total taxes. These included $8,561.46 in federal income taxes; $5,565.45 in Social Security taxes; $2,564.14 in state and local income taxes; $2,475.18 in property taxes; $105.21 in other taxes—minus an average of $2,541.71 in stimulus payments received back from the government. Edited September 14, 2022 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, racer254 said: So the bulk of the people effected by covid are not the same American consumer that this article is talking about? Averages are just that, AVERAGES. American consumer units were paying an average $16,729.73 in net total taxes. These included $8,561.46 in federal income taxes; $5,565.45 in Social Security taxes; $2,564.14 in state and local income taxes; $2,475.18 in property taxes; $105.21 in other taxes—minus an average of $2,541.71 in stimulus payments received back from the government. It’s not up for debate who the covid lockdowns impacted the most. It’s was low income service sector jobs. Literally millions of people who worked at restaurants , bars , coffee shops etc etc. Out of worK overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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