ICEMAN! Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Dave said: The tweeting should have stopped the minute he took office...his comments are starting to really be an embarrassment to the people who voted for him. Whoaaaaaaaa There's a glimmer of hope for Stinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, oleroule said: or, it was the law. Either way, more people in the pool equals spreading the risk over a larger group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 55 minutes ago, oleroule said: mandate it all you want but the youngins' aren't buying in. Just have a national plan where everyone pays through a fed tax or whatever. Fuck it just do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Mainecat said: Just have a national plan where everyone pays through a fed tax or whatever. Fuck it just do it change the constitution. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: it's how he reaches his people. 140 characters and a few emojis thrown in is about all they can absorb without their heads exploding. That might be true for some like woolard and such...but honestly how long is that going to last.....he needs to concentrate on the people that are for him and not the people against him....and then maybe his country can be as one again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Dave said: That might be true for some like woolard and such...but honestly how long is that going to last.....he needs to concentrate on the people that are for him and not the people against him....and then maybe his country can be as one again. Or how about pass some legislation that will help the average middle class Joe like he promised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Or how about pass some legislation that will help the average middle class Joe like he promised? Still early... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Without mandates the cost is going to go through the roof. Nostalgic For The Good Old Days? 6 things you should know about TrumpcareThe American Health Care Act: the Republicans’ bill to replace Obamacare, explainedThe Republican Health Care Plan Includes A Tax Break For Insurance CEOs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mainecat Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, oleroule said: You are Trump....lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 7, 2017 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Dave said: That might be true for some like woolard and such...but honestly how long is that going to last.....he needs to concentrate on the people that are for him and not the people against him....and then maybe his country can be as one again. I'm on twitter and the only place I see his stupid tweets are here and I agree with you 100% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 19 hours ago, f7ben said: how will it address costs , that is all that matters Why worry about what replaces the mandate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 7, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 7, 2017 Seems to be working. Trump is in the WH and the GOP has never controlled more of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 16 hours ago, 1jkw said: The mandate as unpopular as it is, keep cost's down, younger healthier people paying in helps balance out the older less healthy people, if it goes cost's go up like it or not it's a fact. You can't have an insurance plan that only has sick people in it, for some reason the actuarials just don't seem to work out in that scenario 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 7, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: You can't have an insurance plan that only has sick people in it, for some reason the actuarials just don't seem to work out in that scenario Problem is the "tax" is not enough to force people onto the plans. That was caused by the mandatory coverage's that made the plans so expensive to begin with. Also it still allowed them on if they became sick with little to no other penalty. The whole "no one can be denied coverage" comes back and hurts the program. The mandatory coverage's are in itself a way to collect from healthy people. A perfect example of this is the mandatory mental health coverage. Generally speaking that just don't pop up. You rather need it or you don't. http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/02/aetna_ceo_says_obamacare_in_de.html Edited March 7, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Dave said: That might be true for some like woolard and such...but honestly how long is that going to last.....he needs to concentrate on the people that are for him and not the people against him....and then maybe his country can be as one again. there's a lot of people that came out of the shadows to vote for trump (even though he lost the popular vote)...hence, these people are wanting to see results. not just jobs, but good paying jobs. building a massive $25 billion dollar wall, enriching the military complex by another $55 billion, and charging the american people a 20% tax on mexican goods just won't be good enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 42 minutes ago, spin_dry said: there's a lot of people that came out of the shadows to vote for trump (even though he lost the popular vote)...hence, these people are wanting to see results. not just jobs, but good paying jobs. building a massive $25 billion dollar wall, enriching the military complex by another $55 billion, and charging the american people a 20% tax on mexican goods just won't be good enough. Building the military is good to get money flowing....but it is not a long term solution imo....also I dont believe the wall will happen.....whats easier said then done is to get businesses to stop importing everything from China and to invest in their own country....if he can get them to do this it will create alot more jobs...but like any company they are all about profit and why would you buy in the usa when its so much cheaper somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Problem is the "tax" is not enough to force people onto the plans. That was caused by the mandatory coverage's that made the plans so expensive to begin with. Also it still allowed them on if they became sick with little to no other penalty. The whole "no one can be denied coverage" comes back and hurts the program. The mandatory coverage's are in itself a way to collect from healthy people. A perfect example of this is the mandatory mental health coverage. Generally speaking that just don't pop up. You rather need it or you don't. http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/02/aetna_ceo_says_obamacare_in_de.html The truth is healthcare is expensive, the costs go up because people who have no insurance get sick or hurt and it gets paid for by the people who have insurance. Mandatory coverage and participation spread the costs among a larger number of people and balances out costs. Trump claimed everyone would be covered and it would be better care and cost less, I hope it's true, my bet is fewer people will be covered it will cost more not sure if care will be better, but we will have to wait and see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 38 minutes ago, Dave said: Building the military is good to get money flowing....but it is not a long term solution imo....also I dont believe the wall will happen.....whats easier said then done is to get businesses to stop importing everything from China and to invest in their own country....if he can get them to do this it will create alot more jobs...but like any company they are all about profit and why would you buy in the usa when its so much cheaper somewhere else. Spending the money earmarked for military on domestic infrastructure projects would provide more benefit to average Americans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Highmark said: Seems to be working. Trump is in the WH and the GOP has never controlled more of the country. Now is the time if things don't get better they can no longer blame the other side for the problems in the country, if heath care isn't better, cheaper they own it, if middleclass taxes aren't cut and wages up they own it, lets hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snoslinger Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 that's not far at all from the truth... Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Tuesday said low-income Americans should give up iPhones "that they just love" in order to afford health insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Spending the money earmarked for military on domestic infrastructure projects would provide more benefit to average Americans. Yes and no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Snoslinger said: that's not far at all from the truth... Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Tuesday said low-income Americans should give up iPhones "that they just love" in order to afford health insurance. What a fucking asshole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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