Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 Even Salon.com gets it. http://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/there_is_no_foreign_policy_d_league_hillarys_foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/ Tuesday the Clinton campaign released a signed letter by ten prominent diplomats and career national security wonks backing Clinton for President and calling Sanders foreign policy expertise into question. The letter was both unsurprising and underwhelming. Unsurprising because it was signed by former Bill and Hillary Clinton appointees (half of whom have connections to weapons contractors and all of whom will be looking for work in January 2017) and underwhelming because she could only muster ten signatories. This isn’t to say there aren’t legitimate critiques of Sanders’s foreign policy – there certainly are – but as the democratic primary race heats up with only days until the first primary, Clinton and her partisans are doubling down on the conventional wisdom she can pass the “Commander-in-Chief test” due to her foreign policy experience – a consensus widely shared by registered Democrats, 72% of whom trust Clinton over Sanders on matters of “foreign policy”. There’s only one problem: this consensus is entirely without objective merit. The entire notion of “foreign policy” experience is based more on vague impression than reality. What matters above all, as Obama rightly insisted in 2008, is judgment not “experience”. In the case of Clinton there hasn’t been a major foreign policy decision in the Middle East she pushed for that didn’t end up being a disaster both at home and the countries she advocated meddling in. The most commonly cited “mistake” was her support for the Iraq war which is one of the main reasons she lost the nomination the first time around. But even if one excludes this. Even if one puts it into a memory hole and buries it along with her support for DOMA, welfare reform, and harsh prison sentences, the choices she’s made after 2008 show she not only didn’t learn any lessons from that war but has only grown more bellicose and hawkish. From her advocating regime change in Libya, to arming dubious opposition forces in Syria, to undermining peace with Iran — Clinton has consistently been wrong on foreign policy even after her supposedly humbling loss of 2008. Politics deals in impressions, approximants and nowhere is this more clear than on matters of “foreign policy” – a topic where those wrong are more likely to rise to the top. William Kristol, Thomas Friedman, Dan Savage, all of whom were colossally wrong about the Iraq War, are currently working in cushy pundit jobs while those in the media who sounded the alarm like Peter Arnett and Phil Donahue were relegated to obscurity. Longtime Clinton ally Ann Marie Slaughter was asked on Bill Maher in October what achievements Clinton could point to as Secretary of State. Her answer? Clinton’s championing for regime change in Libya – a foreign policy “experience” that hasreduced Libya to a failed state run largely by ISIS and other jihadists. A point Sanders himself made, going after Clinton aggressively in the December debates over the matter. In fairness, Sanders did tacitly support the invasion and the fact that one of Clinton’s most notable boosters can only point to the bombing and destruction of another country as evidence of foreign policy “achievement” says more about the toxic nature of the U.S. national security consensus than Clinton as such, but those insisting she has come up the ranks in some type of “foreign policy” development league and thus has some essential “experience” still have all their work ahead of them. One does not need even to look as far back as Libya in 2011 to see Clinton embracing wreckless, hawkish positions in the Middle East. As of this moment Clinton is calling for a no-fly zone in Syria – an act that would by definition, involve the US potentially shooting down not just Syrian planes but Russian ones as well. If this looks like regime change, that’s because it almost certainly is, According to one 2013 Defense Department estimate a no-fly zone over Syria would entail bombing Syrian military infrastructure and would require over 70,000 servicemen — and this was before Russia entered the war last fall. The costs are almost certainly much higher now. A “no fly zone” is a vaguely liberal way of calling for the air invasion of another country. It’s a position, though embraced by Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, both Sanders and Obama have dismissed out of hand for being irresponsible and unrealistic. Even here Clinton attempts to weasel out of this neocon stance by insisting, as she did to ABC moderator Martha Raddatz in December’s democratic debate, that implementing a no-fly zone in Syria would not require shooting down Russian planes because Russia would “join us”. This, to anyone who has a cursory understanding of the Syrian conflict, is absurd. Why would Russia betray its ally of 44 years and become a US client state on a dime? They wouldn’t, which perhaps explains why Clinton dropped the no-fly zone rhetoric altogether in the subsequent debate on Sunday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 she allegedly has a vagina...that's all the left cares about as a reason to support her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, oleroule said: she allegedly has a vagina...that's all the left cares about as a reason to support her. The End........................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 What's Trumps record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: What's Trumps record? As far as I know, he hasn't been involved in any war hawking. So, 0 dead bodies on his record. Do you not support Sanders on this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, Mainecat said: What's Trumps record? Come on MC, just admit it you're voting for Hillary and want to eat the dingleberries out of her ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, Mainecat said: What's Trumps record? Intelligent novice > known fuckup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, Edmo said: Intelligent novice > known fuckup Here it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 Its hilarious MC, who supported Bernie because he was some kind of an outsider now are saying its Hillary's inside experience is what makes her electable. You really can't make this shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 Where's Dump gonna go? Foreign governments are talking about banning him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 MaineCUNT takes another savage beating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: Where's Dump gonna go? Foreign governments are talking about banning him... To DC and make America great again. You honestly think Britain would ban a sitting US President? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Where's Dump gonna go? Foreign governments are talking about banning him... That's complete leftard BULLFUCKINGSHIT not only was it a committee and not the house but they didn't even vote cuz it was dreamed a fucking joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just now, Highmark said: To DC and make America great again. You honestly think Britain would ban a sitting US President? Up is down. Black is white. The OP is foreign policy and the fact foreign govts. are entertaining it is alarming enough. Of course - you're American Momo and will defend Dump to the end. Guess what Skidmark....Dump has no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just now, SnowRider said: Up is down. Black is white. The OP is foreign policy and the fact foreign govts. are entertaining it is alarming enough. Of course - you're American Momo and will defend Dump to the end. Guess what Skidmark....Dump has no chance. Not really. Plenty I dislike about Trump but anyone is better than Hillary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 So knowing full well what happens when we take out a govt over there (Iraq and Afghanistan), we still go into Libya and help take out their leader. Big shocker, to fill the void here comes Isis and all these other radical groups. Is this sound foreign policy? She will be as bad or worse than Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Momorider said: That's complete leftard BULLFUCKINGSHIT not only was it a committee and not the house but they didn't even vote cuz it was dreamed a fucking joke It is a real joke - just like Dump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Not really. Plenty I dislike about Trump but anyone is better than Hillary. You're balls deep in Dumps Rump bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, SnowRider said: You're balls deep in Dumps Rump bro Nope just prefer him over Hillary or Sanders. Reality is its a sad day in America when we have 2 candidates as poor as the 2 left. Can you admit Hillary is a poor candidate for POTUS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGNHL Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Nope just prefer him over Hillary or Sanders. Reality is its a sad day in America when we have 2 candidates as poor as the 2 left. Can you admit Hillary is a poor candidate for POTUS? She's a good candidate because she's good at lying and manipulating her voter base, but she's a poor choice for being POTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Nope just prefer him over Hillary or Sanders. Reality is its a sad day in America when we have 2 candidates as poor as the 2 left. Can you admit Hillary is a poor candidate for POTUS? She's an excellent candidate and I voted for her in 2008 before pivoting to another excellent choice who's proven so - Presdient Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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