Alternative heat source

[racer254]

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

If the government wants people to go electric all they have to do is make it cheap lol , then everyone would abandon everything else instantly 

Cheap energy is what makes the middle and lower class so strong in the US.  And the government doesn't want that, then they can't get people to rely on the government to "save" them.

[ford_428cj]

4 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Not if you use wood as a heat source.  That's his point.  Wood is readily available and requires nothing more than hard labor to make into energy, ie heat.

Yup...they're plan is to kill all alternate sources.

 

21 minutes ago, f7ben said:

You can do the same thing with any energy source  you can shut someone’s nat gas off remotely with the flip of a switch. 

You really doubt any of this after they tried forcing expiremental jabs on the entire key working class?

 

1 minute ago, f7ben said:

And anyone with land and access to wood will continue to burn it at their discretion. The government can try all they want and they will never stop that. 

Depends on if people will fight.?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Cheap energy is what makes the middle and lower class so strong in the US.  And the government doesn't want that, then they can't get people to rely on the government to "save" them.

 

4 minutes ago, ford_428cj said:

Yup...they're plan is to kill all alternate sources.

 

You really doubt any of this after they tried forcing expiremental jabs on the entire key working class?

 

Depends on if people will fight.?

Do you guys really believe that the US government is smart enough to carry out all these conspiracies??? 

[racer254]

7 minutes ago, HSR said:

 

Do you guys really believe that the US government is smart enough to carry out all these conspiracies??? 

They have help from plenty of other world organizations that hate middle class america.

The UN, IMF, the World Bank, WTO, and many others.

Edited June 19, 2022 by racer254

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, racer254 said:

They have help from plenty of other world organizations that hate middle class america.

The UN, IMF, the World Bank, WTO, and many others.

Is that your opinion or do you have some proof???Don't say it's obvious because it's not to some of us.

[Jimmy Snacks]

1 hour ago, HSR said:

Is that your opinion or do you have some proof???Don't say it's obvious because it's not to some of us.

He read it here and he wants to be part of the team.🤣

[racer254]

3 hours ago, HSR said:

Is that your opinion or do you have some proof???Don't say it's obvious because it's not to some of us.

It's not obvious to most on this forum, but look up some of the crap those organizations come up with and it doesn't have any effect on the elite, nor do the people involved in it care.  They are the biggest violators of the "rules" they want others to live by.  Why would any stimulus package the US comes up with give anything to those organizations I listed?  But every time a stimulus bill comes out, those ORGs are right there for their "help"  Fuck those guys.  The US doesn't need them and should tell them to pound sand just like trump was doing.

All these "global initiatives" derived by these elite world orgs and mostly funded by the US taxpayer.  Funny how that works.

Edited June 19, 2022 by racer254

[Guest]

Just now, racer254 said:

It's not obvious to most on this forum, but look up some of the crap those organizations come up with and it doesn't have any effect on the elite, nor do the people involved in it care.  They are the biggest violators of the "rules" they want others to live by.  Why would any stimulus package the US comes up with give anything to those organizations I listed?  But every time a stimulus bill comes out, those ORGs are right there for their "help"  Fuck those guys.  The US doesn't need them and should tell them to pound sand just like trump was doing.

Well I'm not THAT concerned  just thought you could save me hours of research and direct me to the hard core facts. Thanks anyhow 

[racer254]

2 minutes ago, HSR said:

Well I'm not THAT concerned  just thought you could save me hours of research and direct me to the hard core facts. Thanks anyhow 

Well, you have to do a little research and understanding of your own.  Sorry, but no one is just going to write some little piece for you like they do for liberals when pushing an agenda.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, racer254 said:

Well, you have to do a little research and understanding of your own.  Sorry, but no one is just going to write some little piece for you like they do for liberals when pushing an agenda.

So just say it's your opinion then 

[racer254]

1 minute ago, HSR said:

So just say it's your opinion then 

It's a fact that the more the United States got involved in these world organizations and global initiatives, the American Middle class incomes started to slowly go down, but the upper class incomes vs middle class started to show a wider gap.

[racer254]

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/5-charts-which-show-what-is-happening-to-the-middle-class-around-the-world/

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, racer254 said:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/5-charts-which-show-what-is-happening-to-the-middle-class-around-the-world/

Thanks I'll give it a perusal.

[racer254]

6 minutes ago, HSR said:

Thanks I'll give it a perusal.

Yeah, it is just something I find interesting.  When a new law is being written and pushed by NON-elected bodies and organizations it gets me thinking about "why?".  There always seems to be an ulterior motive.

[Ez ryder]

13 hours ago, f7ben said:

Explain to me how the govt can “control electric” but why they can’t “control natural gas” 

this ought to be good 

Don't a lot of people in high nat gas producing states own there own privet wells ? Like cant you go to say a Honda dealer in Oklahoma and just buy a NG accord or like like off the lot ? Thought it was the case yrs back any way .

Not saying that would in any way effect the flow of anything in any way . Deff more people have wind solar and geo and hydro on there property .

[Ez ryder]

On 6/18/2022 at 8:41 PM, spin_dry said:

Few guys use small wood stoves. 

I know a few shit bags who have lived in campers in other buds property's back 40 for decades . Most of then have little tent wood stoves . Some of the tent stoves are pretty sweet 

[Snake]

[Snake]

I included the text and not just the link... some people seem to have to be spoon fed information they don't like....

 

Vladimir Lenin supposedly once said, “The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”

There’s some doubt as to whether this line is genuine; regardless, it seems like a pretty good description of what the Biden administration is doing to America’s middle class. 

Inflation is running rampant. The Producer Price Index, the most useful measure of general inflation, is up a whopping 16.3% from April 2021, per the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That means that roughly $1 out of every $6 that people earn has been lost to inflation in a single year. Or to put it another way, 80 minutes’ earnings out of every eight-hour day have been eaten up.

This is predictable, of course. Team Biden took an already bloated federal budget and supersized it with spending last year, printing money hand-over-fist to fund a massive array of pork-filled programs, many if not most of which guided billions of dollars into the pockets of Democratic Party supporters.

President Biden dismissed inflation worries at the time, saying that Milton Friedman — the famed inflation-fighting economist — no longer runs the show. Well, the late economist certainly didn’t run Biden’s show, but his observation that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon was borne out in spades as prices took off.

And it was a double whammy. Inflation comes when you have too much money chasing too few goods. The spending part provided the excess money, but the Biden team was right there helping to ensure fewer goods, too.

Gas prices going up? Not only was Biden’s spending program stimulating inflation, but at the same time Biden policies were reducing the amount of gasoline, diesel and heating oil those dollars could buy. Biden went wild canceling pipelines, ending gas and oil leases, imposing stricter environmental rules and — in cooperation with big institutional investors — choking off the finances of people trying to produce new fuel supplies.

As Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska) observed, “There has been a comprehensive hostility to the energy sector by this administration.” And how.

Even electric-car king Elon Musk has been mocking the Biden administration’s fixation on ending fossil fuels. The realities of physics and the marketplace mean that replacing gasoline vehicles with electric cars isn’t going to happen soon, no matter how big a squeeze Team Biden puts on Americans.

And what a squeeze it is. Even in Knoxville, where gas prices tend to be lower, I’ve paid more than $5 a gallon for gas. In other parts of the country, it’s selling for more than $7. Diesel — needed to move goods whose prices are already going up because of inflation — is even more expensive, adding costs to everything in what’s left of our supply-chain network. And there’s no relief in sight.

Natasha Kaneva, a J.P. Morgan researcher, predicts a “cruel summer” with gas prices averaging more than $6 a gallon by August. Team Biden likes this, because it will encourage people to drive less and to buy electric cars.

More expensive oil, coupled with the Ukraine war, also means more expensive fertilizer and thus more expensive food. Biden official Samantha Power thinks this is useful because it will encourage farmers to move from artificial fertilizers to things like compost and manure, which she calls “transitions that would have been in the interest of farmers to make eventually anyway.”

 

Someone needs to tell Power that Sri Lanka tried to “transition” to organic fertilizers and wrecked its economy, leaving its people hungry. Is that what she has in mind for Americans?

Then there’s the baby formula shortage, which is not the result of a natural disaster or war but an overreaching Food and Drug Administration order that shut down a huge swath of domestic production (which FDA and other federal policies had already limited to a handful of big players), with little or no thought to the consequences. Now the Biden team, in a sort of reverse Berlin Airlift, is flying in pallets of formula from Europe, which may look good on TV but does little to address the problem.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/26/team-biden-might-be-purposefully-crushing-the-middle-class/

So does the Biden administration actually want to see middle-class Americans reduced to poverty and privation? Or is it just too stupid to foresee the obvious consequences of its own actions? At this point, I’m not even sure which is worse.

But with the midterms coming, no amount of talk about gun control, abortion or other Democratic hot-button issues is going to distract Americans from what’s happening to their pocketbooks. Good.

[Pete]

This is predictable, of course. Team Biden took an already bloated federal budget and supersized it with spending last year, printing money hand-over-fist to fund a massive array of pork-filled programs, many if not most of which guided billions of dollars into the pockets of Democratic Party supporters.

President Biden dismissed inflation worries at the time, saying that Milton Friedman — the famed inflation-fighting economist — no longer runs the show. Well, the late economist certainly didn’t run Biden’s show, but his observation that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary 

[Jimmy Snacks]

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

This is predictable, of course. Team Biden took an already bloated federal budget and supersized it with spending last year, printing money hand-over-fist to fund a massive array of pork-filled programs, many if not most of which guided billions of dollars into the pockets of Democratic Party supporters.

President Biden dismissed inflation worries at the time, saying that Milton Friedman — the famed inflation-fighting economist — no longer runs the show. Well, the late economist certainly didn’t run Biden’s show, but his observation that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary 

“An already bloated federal budget”…weird because many here said Trump wasn’t a big spender….🤷🏻🤣
BTW nobody should be surprised that Dems like to spend and waste…it’s their MO.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Jimmy Snacks

[racer254]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

“An already bloated federal budget”…weird because many here said Trump wasn’t a big spender….🤷🏻🤣

Pete, Snake, see the problem?  Guys like this dipshit focus on this, rather than the true subject.  Another left-leaning POS that fails to understand how Biden, Obama et all are doing this shit on purpose to get rid of the middle class.

[Pete]

7 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Pete, Snake, see the problem?  Guys like this dipshit focus on this, rather than the true subject.  Another left-leaning POS that fails to understand how Biden, Obama et all are doing this shit on purpose to get rid of the middle class.

How did those $787 billion shovelready jobs work out? Did solyndra ever repay the money they scammed? Yeah

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

“An already bloated federal budget”…weird because many here said Trump wasn’t a big spender….🤷🏻🤣
BTW nobody should be surprised that Dems like to spend and waste…it’s their MO.

Your BTW disclaimer is laughable. 

[Snake]

26 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

“An already bloated federal budget”…weird because many here said Trump wasn’t a big spender….🤷🏻🤣
BTW nobody should be surprised that Dems like to spend and waste…it’s their MO.

Always have to edit in a disclaimer at the bottom... fucking laughable.

 

[spin_dry]

15 hours ago, racer254 said:

It's not obvious to most on this forum, but look up some of the crap those organizations come up with and it doesn't have any effect on the elite, nor do the people involved in it care.  They are the biggest violators of the "rules" they want others to live by.  Why would any stimulus package the US comes up with give anything to those organizations I listed?  But every time a stimulus bill comes out, those ORGs are right there for their "help"  Fuck those guys.  The US doesn't need them and should tell them to pound sand just like trump was doing.

All these "global initiatives" derived by these elite world orgs and mostly funded by the US taxpayer.  Funny how that works.

Trump saw those orgs as being in direct competition with the Trump defense fund. The fund where he screwed contributors out of millions.