oleroule Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 11 hours ago, SnowRider said: so in 1964 he was for civil rights. in 2016 he's against civil rights. got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 14 minutes ago, Snake said: I would certainly hope that's fake but then again there's a whole bunch of dumb ass people out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Common sense gun bills. Democrats voted them down. The Senate rejected first a Republican proposal to update the background check system for gun purchases, which would have required states to add more information on mental health records to a national database. It also included a provision to alert law enforcement agencies when an individual who was on a government terror watch list in the last five years buys a gun. A Republican proposal to delay gun sales to individuals included on a government terror watch list failed in a mostly party-line vote of 53-47. The measure was sponsored by Texas GOP Sen. John Cornyn. The bill would allow a judge to permanently block a purchase if the court determined probable cause that the individual is involved in terrorist activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGNHL Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 hour ago, SnowRider said: You should stick to what you know Fewer and fewer projects are reliant on governemnt money and even fewer are entirely reliant on it. We are no where near a GD or Oshkosh Corp etc.. There are a lot of donor driven projects, private projects, private schools, private organizations, etc that do not rely on government money. A noticeable shift started about 15-18 years ago and has been moving in that direction ever since. Sure there are Publically funded projects - and there should be when the public supports them and they are for the public good. And your farm example Those fuckers whine about government when prices are up and have their hand out when prices are down. They have lobbied tirelessly to keep the antiquated 1930's farm program alive. The farms I deal with aren't grain farms, corn/grain are the main recipients of subsidies and most are large corporate farms which I agree no longer need any subsidizing, but that both parties for keeping that going. We also help buoy corn prices by pumping ethanol into our engines even though it doesn't help climate change. Large stadiums and college fields, which I'm assuming make your company the most money, are significantly taxpayer funded even with very wealthy owners, I'm guessing your private jobs are peanuts compared to alot of behemoths, but I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong unlike you who runs away when you know you've been beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, GGNHL said: The farms I deal with aren't grain farms, corn/grain are the main recipients of subsidies and most are large corporate farms which I agree no longer need any subsidizing, but that both parties for keeping that going. We also help buoy corn prices by pumping ethanol into our engines even though it doesn't help climate change. Large stadiums and college fields, which I'm assuming make your company the most money, are significantly taxpayer funded even with very wealthy owners, I'm guessing your private jobs are peanuts compared to alot of behemoths, but I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong unlike you who runs away when you know you've been beat. Keep digging. The opposite is true. The high profile projects are lost leaders and merely help with marketing and market development. The money is made with bread and butter projects which are smaller and local. Your assumption is exactly 180 from the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGNHL Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Keep digging. The opposite is true. The high profile projects are lost leaders and merely help with marketing and market development. The money is made with bread and butter projects which are smaller and local. Your assumption is exactly 180 from the truth. And I said I would admit when I'm wrong. You should try it sometime. I just find it funny your company, that basically seems to control the market, would do a 7 figure deal and make nearly no money just to get some marketing cred out of it. Edited June 23, 2016 by GGNHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, GGNHL said: The farms I deal with aren't grain farms, corn/grain are the main recipients of subsidies and most are large corporate farms which I agree no longer need any subsidizing, but that both parties for keeping that going. We also help buoy corn prices by pumping ethanol into our engines even though it doesn't help climate change. Large stadiums and college fields, which I'm assuming make your company the most money, are significantly taxpayer funded even with very wealthy owners, I'm guessing your private jobs are peanuts compared to alot of behemoths, but I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong unlike you who runs away when you know you've been beat. Can you name me the top 5 largest corporate grain farms? I think you got your facts wrong. I can tell you living in Iowa the vast, vast majority of Corporate Farms are simply family farms that have incorporated. Large corp farming as I know it is more in hog and cattle production. Most hog confinement buildings in my area are owned by corps or have the corps hogs in them and these are not family corps. http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2013/09/does-corporate-farming-exist-barely A USDA study released in August found that 96.4 percent of US crop farms are "family farms," or "ones in which the principal operator, and people related to the principal operator by blood or marriage, own more than half." That number doesn't leave a lot of room for corporate farmers, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGNHL Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just now, Highmark said: Can you name me the top 5 largest corporate grain farms? I think you got your facts wrong. I can tell you living in Iowa the vast, vast majority of Corporate Farms are simply family farms that have incorporated. Large corp farming as I know it is more in hog and cattle production. Most hog confinement buildings in my area are owned by corps or have the corps hogs in them and these are not family corps. http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2013/09/does-corporate-farming-exist-barely A USDA study released in August found that 96.4 percent of US crop farms are "family farms," or "ones in which the principal operator, and people related to the principal operator by blood or marriage, own more than half." That number doesn't leave a lot of room for corporate farmers, does it? Family farms who own 10s of thousands of acres aren't most people's definition of a family farm even if it were owned by one family. Obviously my 300 cow incorporated dairy farm wouldn't be the classic "corporate farm" level of thinking either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GGNHL said: And I said I would admit when I'm wrong. You should try it sometime. I just find it funny your company, that basically seems to control the market, would do a 7 figure deal and make nearly no money just to get some marketing cred out of it. You find it funny because it is being disingenuous. Still waiting for why the Dems voted down the 2 bills. Edited June 23, 2016 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, GGNHL said: And I said I would admit when I'm wrong. You should try it sometime. I just find it funny your company, that basically seems to control the market, would do a 7 figure deal and make nearly no money just to get some marketing cred out of it. Those projects are few compared to the rest and they are not as profitable. We are a nice size company and have excellent relationships with an impeccable reputation. The fact is the high profile projects take time and consume numerous man hours. The tradeoff is the reference, relationships, and future market development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GGNHL said: Family farms who own 10s of thousands of acres aren't most people's definition of a family farm even if it were owned by one family. Obviously my 300 cow incorporated dairy farm wouldn't be the classic "corporate farm" level of thinking either. Just going by what I see everyday around me and the facts in the article. Not debating that farm subsidies shouldn't be cut back for all of them. I wish I could buy profit insurance as cheap as they can buy crop insurance and not worry about over producing or prices being reduced because of supply and demand issues I contributed too. Edited June 23, 2016 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGNHL Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Those projects are few compared to the rest and they are not as profitable. We are a nice size company and have excellent relationships with an impeccable reputation. The fact is the high profile projects take time and consume numerous man hours. The tradeoff is the reference, relationships, and future market development. Makes sense. Kind of the opposite of commercial lending, our big loan relationships are the bread and butter which allows us to serve our smaller customers much more effectively as smaller loans are much less profitable based on the amount of work you put into one not being a whole lot less than a good large customer. We have 60-70% market share in the industries we serve so we must be doing something right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 snowbeavis, why did they vote down the 2 bills. Show us how uninformed you are. You won't answer because you have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGNHL Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Just going by what I see everyday around me and the facts in the article. Not debating that farm subsidies shouldn't be cut back for all of them. I wish I could buy profit insurance as cheap as they can buy crop insurance and not worry about over producing or prices being reduced because of supply and demand issues I contributed too. Yeah the over producing is the worst thing. Our potato farms are hurting this year cause everyone in the country it seems had a great crop year which drove prices down a fair amount. Pretty shitty when you have a great crop year it actually makes you less profitable if the rest of the country did well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, GGNHL said: Makes sense. Kind of the opposite of commercial lending, our big loan relationships are the bread and butter which allows us to serve our smaller customers much more effectively as smaller loans are much less profitable based on the amount of work you put into one not being a whole lot less than a good large customer. We have 60-70% market share in the industries we serve so we must be doing something right. My assumption is you'd be hard pressed to find any manufacturers who are more profitable on a high profile project vs their core business. As you said - it's different on the financial side. 5 minutes ago, GGNHL said: Yeah the over producing is the worst thing. Our potato farms are hurting this year cause everyone in the country it seems had a great crop year which drove prices down a fair amount. Pretty shitty when you have a great crop year it actually makes you less profitable if the rest of the country did well... Another example of,private profits and public risk. Why are we subsidizing their risks and not sharing in the high profit years? Again - this isn't the 1930's and AG needs to sink or swim on their own merits. CRP - one program I support but government needs to have 100 year contracts not 10. The amount of acres moving in and out of the program is heavily influenced by prices at the time their contract is up. If prices are up - they till it up again. If prices are down - they renew. It defeats the purpose of the program - taking marginal land out of production to decrease supply/imcrease prices and create habitat. Ultimately - the far,ers whine and moan - rinse and repeat. Shelter belts are another example - how many times have we paid them to plant trees? Only to watch them wipe out entire shelter belts so the pivot will go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, racer254 said: snowbeavis, why did they vote down the 2 bills. Show us how uninformed you are. You won't answer because you have no idea. I like the D's bills. Why did the R's vote them down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, GGNHL said: Yeah the over producing is the worst thing. Our potato farms are hurting this year cause everyone in the country it seems had a great crop year which drove prices down a fair amount. Pretty shitty when you have a great crop year it actually makes you less profitable if the rest of the country did well... The cure for low prices is low prices. The cure for high prices is high prices. Problem is with agriculture its not a pure market. People were still paying $10K + for crop ground when corn was $3.50/bushel. Input costs of around $700 per acre it takes 200 b/a corn to break even. Not a problem when FCI guarantee's you that amount. Edited June 23, 2016 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SnowRider said: I like the D's bills. Why did the R's vote them down? That has already been answered. Now,can you answer why the dems wouldn't pass common sense bills put forth by the R's Edited June 23, 2016 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Lol, what a fail, bathroom breaks and catering... then Ryan says see ya dumbasses, 2 week recess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, SnowRider said: I like the D's bills. Why did the R's vote them down? Why did the Ds vote down the R bills fag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just now, Elkhorn said: Lol, what a fail, bathroom breaks and catering... then Ryan says see ya dumbasses, 2 week recess It is pretty funny. They don't have the stamina to stay very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, racer254 said: It is pretty funny. They don't have the stamina to stay very long. I love It, Ryan says we're in recess, turn the fucking lights out when you leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 20 minutes ago, Elkhorn said: Why did the Ds vote down the R bills fag sr is a joke, he doesn't know how to answer a question like this. The dems haven't explained the reasons yet for him to parrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Senate Republicans rejected two Democratic proposals that would have barred firearm sales to people on the FBI’s terrorist watch list and required every gun purchaser to undergo a background check, arguing that the measures too dramatically expanded the federal government’s power. “The Democratic alternative would not ensure due process, protect our constitutional rights, or require the government to periodically review its procedures to ensure it’s investigating the right people,” McConnell said. Democrats, in turn, shot down Republican alternatives that would have required the government to prove probable cause within three days to block a gun sale to a suspected terrorist and increase funding for background checks. They argued the proposals were insufficient half measures only intended to help Republicans who receive donations from gun groups to save face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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