spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 They really have exposed their weak military to the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Well the ghost of kyiv was a lie so the military analysis of some 20 year old YouTuber might not be very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Anler said: Well the ghost of kyiv was a lie so the military analysis of some 20 year old YouTuber might not be very accurate. America spends trillions to defend against Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, spin_dry said: America spends trillions to defend against Russia? Many trillions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Anler said: Many trillions! Their stuff is all junk. Less than half of the Migs India bought from Russia even fly. No spare parts. Broken supply chains. It's fucking laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: Their stuff is all junk. Less than half of the Migs India bought from Russia even fly. No spare parts. Broken supply chains. It's fucking laughable. Oh good. We should be done with them in 10 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Obviously nobody remembers the Clint Eastwood movie Firefox! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I wonder if china has robots pumping out military hardware faster than we could blow it up by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) It is an old story that has been told for 70 years or more. The Russians have never been in the lead in terms of airpower or technology but the Russians and the brass at the Pentagon have been more than willing to let the public think this in order to spend more money. The story of the F15 and the fighter mafia is the best example of this. The Soviets made a plane called the Mig 25 Foxbat and it shocked the west with the stories of it's abilities. The Pentagon took these claims of performance and gave a special group almost unlimited control and money to make a plane that could surpass the claims of the Soviets and they ended doing just that. A few years afterwards a defecting soviet pilot landed one of the Soviet Mig 25s in Japan and when the Americans looked it over they could not believe what a complete POS the plane was. Even now 50 years later there are very few planes in the Russian air force that could be dominant over the F15 let alone the F22. Russia is the paper tiger they have always been. Edited March 13, 2022 by Carlos Danger 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted March 13, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Anler said: Obviously nobody remembers the Clint Eastwood movie Firefox! Saw it in the the theater with my Pops at the Hawthorn mall if I remember correctly.. Edited March 13, 2022 by Rigid1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Anler said: I wonder if china has robots pumping out military hardware faster than we could blow it up by now. Jet engines is where China falls behind. The main difference between China and Russia currently is China is spending a good amount of money on R&D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted March 13, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Jet engines is where China falls behind. The main difference between China and Russia currently is China is spending a good amount of money on R&D. Using stolen American tech I’m guessing.🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Russia is so weak that we will have to spend trillions and tank the global economy to fight a proxy war in a second world country. Derp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Using stolen American tech I’m guessing.🤬 10 years ago the company I work for sold 4 brand new gas turbine generator packages to China. They are designed to be collapsed down into the enclosure so that they can be shipped by rail or oversized truck. One of our techs had spent months in China installing 2 of the 4 and when he arrived at the second site one of the two remaining units had been unpacked and meticulously disassembled. At this point I would say China 70/30 between espionage and their own R&D but they are spending money on home grown. Aviation is a funny game as you need the tribal knowledge that comes from having a strong mfg base and R&D programs even if you had all the data you need people to make it work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Anler said: Russia is so weak that we will have to spend trillions and tank the global economy to fight a proxy war in a second world country. Derp Good point. Brandon making the calls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ford_428cj said: Good point. Brandon making the calls... You and the GOP are saying he's not hurting Russia enough. Make up your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I am thinking attrition could end up being a real problem for the Russians. On this Confirmed list are two SU34s and two SU30s of which Russia has about 130 aircraft of each type. Losing these front line planes could be unsustainable for Russia as a majority of these planes are necessary for the defense of the Russian home land which would limit the amount of planes that could be committed to Ukraine. I would think the loss of ten of each type would put Russia out of this war. The two Ka 52s is interesting as well as they represent the top of the line attack helicopter for the Russians. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Ward Carrol is a retired F14 guy and a pretty straight shooter when it comes to politics. Give him a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Carlos Danger said: 10 years ago the company I work for sold 4 brand new gas turbine generator packages to China. They are designed to be collapsed down into the enclosure so that they can be shipped by rail or oversized truck. One of our techs had spent months in China installing 2 of the 4 and when he arrived at the second site one of the two remaining units had been unpacked and meticulously disassembled. At this point I would say China 70/30 between espionage and their own R&D but they are spending money on home grown. Aviation is a funny game as you need the tribal knowledge that comes from having a strong mfg base and R&D programs even if you had all the data you need people to make it work. China has been stealing and or buying the world's technology for the last couple decades. We haven't done shit about that. That should tell you everything you need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Anler said: China has been stealing and or buying the world's technology for the last couple decades. We haven't done shit about that. That should tell you everything you need to know. They learned from America stealing European tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, spin_dry said: They learned from America stealing European tech. Did they learn or was that the blueprint? Why do you suppose china goes by unmolested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, Anler said: Did they learn or was that the blueprint? Why do you suppose china goes by unmolested? Because big 401k's are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: Because big 401k's are fun. Hmmm. The west de-industrializes and moves away from carbon forms of energy. But china increases all of that. No sanctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Hmmm. The west de-industrializes and moves away from carbon forms of energy. But china increases all of that. No sanctions. Like I said, big 401k's are a blast. Cheap Chinese labor rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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