Cold War Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 This should not be treated as another Covid topic and buried. Countless lives, businesses, and careers were ended over lockdowns. Those who opposed them were punished severely. Why shouldn’t those that forced them on us be held responsible? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) I have zero interest in supporting lockdowns, but that is not a John Hopkins study or paper but a group of three economists interested in bashing what has happened. Everyone should understand that as they read the headline that is a misnomer and taken out of context. It is a title and media representation that is equally off as saying that lack of lckdowns would have killed 100+ million people. Both filled with intentionally poor data collection to try to make a point. Again, it is disgusting how all the lockdowns happened but the paper above is far from the gospel. Edited February 5, 2022 by Deephaven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Deephaven said: I have zero interest in supporting lockdowns, but that is not a John Hopkins study or paper but a group of three economists interested in bashing what has happened. Everyone should understand that as they read the headline that is a misnomer and taken out of context. It is a title and media representation that is equally off as saying that lockdowns saved 100's of million lives. Both filled with intentionally poor data collection to try to make a point. Again, it is disgusting how all the lockdowns happened but the paper above is far from the gospel. Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Read the paper and find the peer review and support from the University....or don't find it as it doesn't exist. Just three guys writing a shock article. Doesn't mean that they don't have some valid points but it does mean that there conclusions haven't been defended to show that they are valid based on what they are citing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Deephaven said: I have zero interest in supporting lockdowns, but that is not a John Hopkins study or paper but a group of three economists interested in bashing what has happened. Everyone should understand that as they read the headline that is a misnomer and taken out of context. It is a title and media representation that is equally off as saying that lockdowns saved 100's of million lives. Both filled with intentionally poor data collection to try to make a point. Again, it is disgusting how all the lockdowns happened but the paper above is far from the gospel. How is it taken out of context? Where is your proof that lockdowns did anything but destroy the economy? The point is people were punished for any opposition to lockdowns and there is zero proof they did anything but hurt people. Should those responsible not be held responsible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cold War said: How is it taken out of context? Title and conclusions in the article don't match and are purposefully misleading. 3 minutes ago, Cold War said: Where is your proof that lockdowns did anything but destroy the economy? That is what the article should have been about, especially considering the ones writing it were economists but that isn't what the title of the article is nor what the article was meant to do. 3 minutes ago, Cold War said: The point is people were punished for any opposition to lockdowns and there is zero proof they did anything but hurt people. Should those responsible not be held responsible? Again, not at all the point in my response. Not sure why everything is all black and white to those of you that constantly make these threads. What I stated was: 1) I am against lockdowns 2) The article is not sponsored by John Hopkins so even the title and premise is a misnomer 3) The article was meant for shock purposes just like that of ones coming from the opposite side that claim lockdowns saved shitloads of people Those of you that are so stuck in conspiracy land should read with the same open eyes you claim the other side needs. Some of us look at both sides and laugh, others of you are so blinded by your own flocks you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Title and conclusions in the article don't match and are purposefully misleading. That is what the article should have been about, especially considering the ones writing it were economists but that isn't what the title of the article is nor what the article was meant to do. Again, not at all the point in my response. Not sure why everything is all black and white to those of you that constantly make these threads. What I stated was: 1) I am against lockdowns 2) The article is not sponsored by John Hopkins so even the title and premise is a misnomer 3) The article was meant for shock purposes just like that of ones coming from the opposite side that claim lockdowns saved shitloads of people Those of you that are so stuck in conspiracy land should read with the same open eyes you claim the other side needs. Some of us look at both sides and laugh, others of you are so blinded by your own flocks you can't. If you have read any of my posts you would know, I am not a conspiracy person and I don’t blindly follow anyone. You’re looking to shut down any discussion on the topic by dismissing me as a crack pot. Exactly why we find ourselves in the position we are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cold War said: If you have read any of my posts you would know, I am not a conspiracy person and I don’t blindly follow anyone. You’re looking to shut down any discussion on the topic by dismissing me as a crack pot. Exactly why we find ourselves in the position we are in. The article is a crackpot article, had nothing to do with who posted it. The tone in your post and your reaction to ignoring what I typed and instead focusing on the agenda is why we are where we are. I would actually like to encourage discussion on relevant points and not conspiracy propaganda from EITHER side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted February 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted February 5, 2022 Please move to covid forum K thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Stephen Hawking said: Please move to covid forum K thanks Some here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Deephaven said: The article is a crackpot article, had nothing to do with who posted it. The tone in your post and your reaction to ignoring what I typed and instead focusing on the agenda is why we are where we are. I would actually like to encourage discussion on relevant points and not conspiracy propaganda from EITHER side. It didn’t come from some right wing website. It was from my local news, which is very left leaning. They vetted it and found it to be credible to report on. Anyone who thinks they didn’t cripple our economy would have to be a partisan fool or a crackpot. You keep dodging my question. We have double the amount of cases now, with no lockdowns in our state. What does that tell you? Should there be consequences for those who damaged people lives with the lockdowns? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, Cold War said: You keep dodging my question. We have double the amount of cases now, with no lockdowns in our state. What does that tell you? Should there be consequences for those who damaged people lives with the lockdowns? Unrelated question to the article and because of this the foundation for your question is based on misinformation so discussing it in that context is pointless. First the details of what exactly the ramifications were need to be cleaned up, then punishment can be discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Unrelated question to the article and because of this the foundation for your question is based on misinformation so discussing it in that context is pointless. First the details of what exactly the ramifications were need to be cleaned up, then punishment can be discussed. K thanks Jen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted February 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) I guess DeepHaven read the Snopes article.They are calling it a working paper not a study trying to discredit it. https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/03/johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns/ Daily Wire addresses this tho. The "working paper" still makes valid points regardless, but I knew this 2 years ago. You can Download the study at the bottom of the page in this link. And ill attach it. https://www.dailywire.com/news/johns-hopkins-study-lockdowns-had-little-to-no-effect-on-covid-19-mortality-but-had-devastating-effects-on-society A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf Edited February 5, 2022 by EvilBird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted February 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted February 5, 2022 Still says John Hopkins on the letter head regardless... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Do they talk about why? Clearly the extreme lockdowns in Australia slowed things down, but at what cost. Cost outweigh the benefits, certainly now at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted February 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted February 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, akvanden said: Do they talk about why? Clearly the extreme lockdowns in Australia slowed things down, but at what cost. Cost outweigh the benefits, certainly now at least. Clearly huh....lol ok. Well Its 62 pages long. I put the link right there for ya Mr research. Read it yourself if you want. I am sure they go into detail. I only skimmed thru . Ill probably read it later tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, EvilBird said: Clearly huh....lol ok. Well Its 62 pages long. I put the link right there for ya Mr research. Read it yourself if you want. I am sure they go into detail. I only skimmed thru . Ill probably read it later tonight. Yeah, check out their Covid cases since start of the pandemic. Spike is when they said screw it and opened up. Again, all this at what cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 9:30 AM, Cold War said: How is it taken out of context? Where is your proof that lockdowns did anything but destroy the economy? The point is people were punished for any opposition to lockdowns and there is zero proof they did anything but hurt people. Should those responsible not be held responsible? It’s taken out of context because it complete Contradicts everything he’s pushed and supported Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 9:17 AM, Deephaven said: I have zero interest in supporting lockdowns, but that is not a John Hopkins study or paper but a group of three economists interested in bashing what has happened. Everyone should understand that as they read the headline that is a misnomer and taken out of context. It is a title and media representation that is equally off as saying that lack of lckdowns would have killed 100+ million people. Both filled with intentionally poor data collection to try to make a point. Again, it is disgusting how all the lockdowns happened but the paper above is far from the gospel. You’ve supported all the Covid nonsense for two years now you’re trying to claim you don’t but in the sane breath you’re ripping the story and the paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 47 minutes ago, jtssrx said: You’ve supported all the Covid nonsense for two years now you’re trying to claim you don’t but in the sane breath you’re ripping the story and the paper. I rip bullshit on both sides. You are regularly bat shit crazy in your conclusions along with the other conspiracidiots so I call you out. Unlike either extreme I see things with logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 That's litterly like the 10th report to slam lockdown measures as not only draconianian, but beyond useless. But it's not (circle-jerk) peer reviewed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 53 minutes ago, Deephaven said: I rip bullshit on both sides. You are regularly bat shit crazy in your conclusions along with the other conspiracidiots so I call you out. Unlike either extreme I see things with logic. You’ve supported all this Covid nonsense. Many of us have said from day one that all of this was BS and you called us conspiracy theorists 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 35 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: That's litterly like the 10th report to slam lockdown measures as not only draconianian, but beyond useless. But it's not (circle-jerk) peer reviewed. DeepCunt can’t backtrack now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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