Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2021 If you think they aren't looking for these cases you are fucking crazy. Trust the CDC? https://www.westernjournal.com/thanks-foia-request-cdc-just-made-biggest-admission-covid-yet/ Is natural or vaccinated immunity better for fighting COVID? The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has offered conflicting evidence on this, which is causing more questions about the efficacy of the vaccine. Last month, the CDC published a new study that seemed to firmly indicate that immunity from the vaccine is better than natural immunity. “Unvaccinated people who had survived a previous COVID-19 infection were more than five times more likely to be reinfected with the virus compared to those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines,” CBS News reported on the CDC findings. But there is new evidence that seems to debunk this claim from the CDC. In response to a Freedom of Information Act request from a lawyer, the CDC admitted that they have not had any documented cases of an unvaccinated individual with natural immunity spreading the virus. But the CDC is not the only place that is collecting data and running studies on COVID. Recently an Israeli study that has been collecting data from March 1, 2020, to August 14, 2021, published data to show that natural immunity is actually stronger than the immunity gained from the Pfizer vaccine. “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold … increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected,” the study concluded. The Israeli study was several times larger than the CDC’s study that concluded that vaccine immunity was superior. This Israeli study, coupled with the new admission from the CDC that there have been no recorded cases of those with natural immunity spreading the virus, seems to contradict the CDC’s constant messaging that everyone needs to get vaccinated. The arguments around vaccines have been so politically charged that it’s natural to begin asking whether the CDC is really as apolitical as it claims. So far, the CDC has been on the side of those who are calling for vaccine mandates, promoting the vaccine and even incentivizing it. The CDC has even been campaigning for “vaccine confidence.” “Strong confidence in COVID-19 vaccines within communities leads to more adults, adolescents, and children getting vaccinated ― which leads to fewer COVID-19 illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths,” the CDC said. But nearly everything regarding the vaccine now is politically charged. It’s no secret that the greatest battle over the vaccine is political, not scientific. The scientific facts seem to merely be tools in the broader political roil. Last year, when the vaccine was still being developed, Brookings predicted this politicization. “And now, as with all aspects of COVID-19, politics has crept into the vaccine conversation in ways that threaten to derail public confidence,” Brookings noted on Oct. 30, 2020. But it’s not just the politicization that is raising questions. Those who are hesitant about the vaccine may have good reason after now seeing the CDC double back on itself and conflict with other studies about the vaccine immunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 The MSM, UN, WHO, NATO, CDC, DC….. None should be trusted at all right now. None. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2021 One would think the CDC would be interested in this data yet this is their webpage on reinfection. Basically nothing. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Revolving door of workers between the cdc and drug manufacturing corps . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 My neighbor has had it twice. Both times bad. Natural protection may be stronger than the shot, but it isn't infallible either. Neither time did he transmit it to someone else in his household. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Deephaven said: My neighbor has had it twice. Both times bad. Natural protection may be stronger than the shot, but it isn't infallible either. Neither time did he transmit it to someone else in his household. Having it twice is very rare, did he think he had it or did he actually test positive both times? BTW, HHS has an annual budget of 1.2 TRILLION Dollars and trump was cutting their budget. HHS runs the CDC. Guess who they were voting for. Edited November 16, 2021 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Deephaven said: My neighbor has had it twice. Both times bad. Natural protection may be stronger than the shot, but it isn't infallible either. Neither time did he transmit it to someone else in his household. But did he really. Early testing was extremely inaccurate because the PCR test was multiplying the virus exponentially to many times. Edited November 16, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: But did he really. Early testing was extremely inaccurate because the PCR test was multiplying the virus exponentially to many times. Oh, let’s go ahead and say that if you went to the doctor early on (and maybe now too), you were diagnosed with COVID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, Highmark said: But did he really. Early testing was extremely inaccurate because the PCR test was multiplying the virus exponentially to many times. Based on the need for a respirator once and super similar problems with the second I would say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Based on the need for a respirator once and super similar problems with the second I would say yes. When was he vaxxed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 ...but is planning a booster now as he doesn't want it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, Deephaven said: ...but is planning a booster now as he doesn't want it again. Did he get it between the 2 infections? The CDC doesn't have even one documented case of a repeat Covid case in the unvaxxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2021 57 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Wasn't. 56 minutes ago, Deephaven said: ...but is planning a booster now as he doesn't want it again. So he got the jab after the 2nd infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I haven't seen him in 2 weeks, but said he was going to now after the last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Did he get it between the 2 infections? The CDC doesn't have even one documented case of a repeat Covid case in the unvaxxed. That is why I asked if he actually got 2 positive tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Tested both times. Sick as hell both times. I've only had it once and it wasn't bad for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 16, 2021 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Deephaven said: I haven't seen him in 2 weeks, but said he was going to now after the last time. So he's not getting a booster but the actual 1st dose of the jab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Did he get it between the 2 infections? The CDC doesn't have even one documented case of a repeat Covid case in the unvaxxed. Ummm…. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/unvaccinated-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-get-covid-19-again-cdc-says-11628276064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Plissken said: Ummm…. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/unvaccinated-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-get-covid-19-again-cdc-says-11628276064 The cdc debunked that. There isn't one documented case to prove what you suggested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Oh the cdc under freedom of information had to inform the public they don't have a documented case of a Covid repeated in the unvaxxed. I'll take that over any bs fake news opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Did he get it between the 2 infections? The CDC doesn't have even one documented case of a repeat Covid case in the unvaxxed. It's because they didn't collect the data...not because it doesn't happen. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, SkisNH said: It's because they didn't collect the data...not because it doesn't happen. Sorry pal. They would want to amplify this to promote the vax if it held any water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: The cdc debunked that. There isn't one documented case to prove what you suggested. Lol….sure. Let the class know if and when they debunk this one….. odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7044e1-H.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Sorry pal. They would want to amplify this to promote the vax if it held any water. No they didn't collect any data because the only narrative that mattered was the Vaccine...I also had a client that had it twice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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