Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: The future will be a combination of fossil, hydrogen, and electric. The bottleneck with hydrogen is production costs. But that should be on par with gasoline in 5 years. Battery technology in five years will look nothing like it does today. Solid state batteries that perform in cold weather, don’t degrade, and recharge in 5 minutes will be here next year. Lots of options for the future. And all are viable. Is is 1 or 5 years?? Maybe 10 or 20.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Is is 1 or 5 years?? Maybe 10 or 20.. Energy density of batteries has tripled in the last 10 years. Most of that has occurred in the last 5. The improvements will continue. To think that the future will include only one source of energy is preposterous. Electric car haters are funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Energy density of batteries has tripled in the last 10 years. Most of that has occurred in the last 5. The improvements will continue. To think that the future will include only one source of energy is preposterous. Electric car haters are funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: The EU has 130 hydrogen refueling stations. The UK 13. $80-100 to drive 300 miles. A real bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Energy density of batteries has tripled in the last 10 years. Most of that has occurred in the last 5. The improvements will continue. To think that the future will include only one source of energy is preposterous. Electric car haters are funny. People who drive electric cars thinking they are helping the environment or funnier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave said: People who drive electric cars thinking they are helping the environment or funnier. People that drive electric vehicles understand that they have the quickest production cars in the world by a large margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: The EU has 130 hydrogen refueling stations. The UK 13. $80-100 to drive 300 miles. A real bargain. You can't put a cost on saving the planet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: People that drive electric vehicles understand that they have the quickest production cars in the world by a large margin. Hmmm...they don't have speed limits like everyone else? Interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 16, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: People that drive electric vehicles understand that they have the quickest production cars in the world by a large margin. https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/154741/red-bull-and-oreca-to-build-le-mans-hydrogen-car Let me know when Tesla has a zero emissions vehicle running in the 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ickyoldman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Electric cars, baby. Stick a curling iron up your ass........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Rigid1 said: You can't put a cost on saving the planet.. That doesn’t matter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: How are they pumping gas? Squirrel power? Are you this ignorant in real life. There are pumps that don't need electricity to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, racer254 said: Are you this ignorant in real life. There are pumps that don't need electricity to run. Squirrels and raccoons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: How are they pumping gas? Squirrel power? Another fail for you... 3 hours ago, Dave said: Alot of gas stations have back up generators for power Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Squirrels and raccoons. You sure don't get around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 16, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) With the lack of electricityall the refineries and pump jacks shut down and not pulling up that crude gas prices are going to go sky high. Spot market for electricity was/is thru the roof as well as the price of natural gas.... electricity to run the oil pump infrastructure is costing these oil companies huge right now... they were losing billions making gas last year it is only getting worse for the unless they raise the cost of natural gas and fuels just to break even. Edited February 17, 2021 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 17, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted February 17, 2021 It is a weird world And utterly awesome watching everybody cheer for windmills to freeze up and electricity to shutdown. millions of barrels of oil isn’t getting pumped daily without those windmills spinning causing probably a 20 cent bump a gallon at the pump... what $2.75 for gas and what $3.50 diesel is what everybody is cheering for by the end of February? https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/gas-prices-could-increase-as-much-as-20-cents-per-gallon-as-texas-oil-refinery-capacity-shuts-down-due-to-storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: How are they pumping gas? Squirrel power? I'm quite sure many likely filled their vehicles up and likely some gas cans too prior to the storm/cold snap. I wonder if the ones with EV's stocked up on extra electricity (because those so readily available and easy to do), and I also wonder how those same EV's are fairing, making out in this cold snap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 17, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, irv said: I'm quite sure many likely filled their vehicles up and likely some gas cans too prior to the storm/cold snap. I wonder if the ones with EV's stocked up on extra electricity (because those so readily available and easy to do), and I also wonder how those same EV's are fairing, making out in this cold snap? Most EV’s are more full more often then most gas powered vehicles most of the time. My one PHEV has a full electric charge when home. Just plugged in. My EV pickup when I get it will be plugged in when home and sitting at 90% battery capacity unless I’m driving it. It’s unlikely people are out driving around for fun and are only going out for necessities if at all. Any storms or outages growing up we hunkered down and didn’t move our gas powered vehicles. Doubt people are moving all that much in Texas. With this storm... everything is out of power so it’s not like you are going to go find much to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted February 17, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted February 17, 2021 We do work for a guy with a tesla and his house is solar powered. I’d think at least some electric car owners would have solar especially in Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 47 minutes ago, BOHICA said: It is a weird world And utterly awesome watching everybody cheer for windmills to freeze up and electricity to shutdown. millions of barrels of oil isn’t getting pumped daily without those windmills spinning causing probably a 20 cent bump a gallon at the pump... what $2.75 for gas and what $3.50 diesel is what everybody is cheering for by the end of February? https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/gas-prices-could-increase-as-much-as-20-cents-per-gallon-as-texas-oil-refinery-capacity-shuts-down-due-to-storm What about the nuke plants shut down because the water inlet cooling ducts are froze? Or the NG electric plants shut down because the generators won’t function without damage in cold weather. Had the wind turbines been outfitted with heaters, they’d be opperational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Most EV’s are more full more often then most gas powered vehicles most of the time. My one PHEV has a full electric charge when home. Just plugged in. My EV pickup when I get it will be plugged in when home and sitting at 90% battery capacity unless I’m driving it. It’s unlikely people are out driving around for fun and are only going out for necessities if at all. Any storms or outages growing up we hunkered down and didn’t move our gas powered vehicles. Doubt people are moving all that much in Texas. With this storm... everything is out of power so it’s not like you are going to go find much to do. So how much do they, the batteries deplete, sitting in the cold? A full tank of gas will still be full whether it is cold or not. I highly doubt these EV's sitting while having no trickle charge/regular charge will be full after a prolonged cold snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 17, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, irv said: So how much do they, the batteries deplete, sitting in the cold? A full tank of gas will still be full whether it is cold or not. I highly doubt these EV's sitting while having no trickle charge/regular charge will be full after a prolonged cold snap. Not enough to worry about over a couple day power outage. Just like a gas vehicle in a storm or massive power outage you will probably keep travel to a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Not enough to worry about over a couple day power outage. Just like a gas vehicle in a storm or massive power outage you will probably keep travel to a minimum. Sounds rosy and all but I'll take a full tank of gas over a fully charge EV any day, especially if it might take days or longer to fully restore power to places. This is day 3 so far in Texas and there is currently 2.8 million without power. ERCOT officials say they have no idea when Texas’ power outages will end. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2021/02/16/ercot-says-they-have-no-idea-when-texas-power-outages-will-end/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted February 17, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, irv said: Sounds rosy and all but I'll take a full tank of gas over a fully charge EV any day, especially if it might take days or longer to fully restore power to places. This is day 3 so far in Texas and there is currently 2.8 million without power. ERCOT officials say they have no idea when Texas’ power outages will end. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2021/02/16/ercot-says-they-have-no-idea-when-texas-power-outages-will-end/ Where you going with power out everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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