The debate was terrible

[frenchy]

7 minutes ago, hayward said:

name rings a bell but forget who he was.  He own an NBA team or something?

yeah banned for life now thanks to his racist ways. Not saying Trump is a racist but the fact he employs black people doesn't automatically make him not one. 

[Skidooski]

 

[irv]

4 hours ago, frenchy said:

 his 'base' isn't the radical left FFS. Those loons are the fringe even for as far left as the Dems have gone lately. 

IMO Joe has NO PROBLEM admitting to those things because most mainstream dems feel the exact same way. 

Sooo, why did he and his party wait until August 31st to speak out against all the rioters and protestors? Could it be his and his party's popularity and position in the polls have anything to do with it? 

Speaking of the "Green New Deal" and his advocating of it. This is right from his site 

[frenchy]

45 minutes ago, irv said:

Sooo, why did he and his party wait until August 31st to speak out against all the rioters and protestors? Could it be his and his party's popularity and position in the polls have anything to do with it? 

where do you glean you information from? 

Joe Biden on may 31st: 

These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.

Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.

 

 

[ArcticCrusher]

5 minutes ago, frenchy said:

where do you glean you information from? 

Joe Biden on may 31st: 

These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.

Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.

 

 

Too bad the left's actions do not support their words. 

[Woodtick]

[irv]

6 hours ago, frenchy said:

where do you glean you information from? 

Joe Biden on may 31st: 

These last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. Every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country, from the daily indignities to the extreme violence, like the horrific killing of George Floyd.

Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.

 

 

And what have him and the Dems done/said since May 3st? Kamala was funding groups that were bailing out protestors and rioters. What did Joe have to say about her doing that? Their funded MSM sites were calling them peaceful protests. The list goes on and on what they were advocating and not denouncing. Hard to believe you believe otherwise? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/meet-the-rioting-criminals-kamala-harris-helped-bail-out-of-jail/

https://thepostmillennial.com/flashback-kamala-harris-encouraged-riots-promoted-bailing-out-antifa

 

 

[XC.Morrison]

7 hours ago, irv said:

Sooo, why did he and his party wait until August 31st to speak out against all the rioters and protestors? Could it be his and his party's popularity and position in the polls have anything to do with it? 

Speaking of the "Green New Deal" and his advocating of it. This is right from his site 

Emphasis on “framework”.  It’s kind of like how an E53 is based on the E39 but is not an E39.  

[Woodtick]

[irv]

 

[Woodtick]

[frenchy]

11 hours ago, irv said:

And what have him and the Dems done/said since May 3st? Kamala was funding groups that were bailing out protestors and rioters. What did Joe have to say about her doing that? Their funded MSM sites were calling them peaceful protests. The list goes on and on what they were advocating and not denouncing. Hard to believe you believe otherwise? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/kamala-harris-tweeted-support-bail-fund-money-didnt-just-assist-protestors/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/31/meet-the-rioting-criminals-kamala-harris-helped-bail-out-of-jail/

https://thepostmillennial.com/flashback-kamala-harris-encouraged-riots-promoted-bailing-out-antifa

 

 

you said he said nothing until Aug 31st I proved you wrong with a direct quote on the matter from 3 months prior not sure what else you want me to say on it? 

[irv]

3 minutes ago, frenchy said:

you said he said nothing until Aug 31st I proved you wrong with a direct quote on the matter from 3 months prior not sure what else you want me to say on it? 

Sorry you missed the point that Biden has practically been silent about it despite what you were trying to convey. I wasn't aware of his May 31st talk/speech but it's clear he decided to stop or was told to stop by the Dems for 3 months. 

[frenchy]

3 minutes ago, irv said:

Sorry you missed the point that Biden has practically been silent about it despite what you were trying to convey. I wasn't aware of his May 31st talk/speech but it's clear he decided to stop or was told to stop by the Dems for 3 months. 

June 2nd: “There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”

July 28th: "I've said from the outset there's no place for violence and the destruction of property. Peaceful protesters should be protected and arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted."

[Snake]

8 minutes ago, frenchy said:

June 2nd: “There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”

July 28th: "I've said from the outset there's no place for violence and the destruction of property. Peaceful protesters should be protected and arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted."

That's what it is like when someone tries to point out Trump didn't say "Fine folks on both sides."

[irv]

10 minutes ago, frenchy said:

June 2nd: “There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”

July 28th: "I've said from the outset there's no place for violence and the destruction of property. Peaceful protesters should be protected and arsonists and anarchists should be prosecuted."

So, he went out of his way to speak out about these rioter's/protestors. Funny, he chose Kamala on August 11th as his running mate/VP when he should have clearly known she was involved with bailing out these rioter's and protestors. 

I know you are trying to make him out to be some type of anti rioter/protestor, but it is clear, imo, he only spoke out about them when he was likely questioned about them. If you don't think that a man who is running to unseat Donald Trump could have said/done more to curb/stop these riots, then I don't know what to tell you? 

[frenchy]

16 minutes ago, irv said:

So, he went out of his way to speak out about these rioter's/protestors. Funny, he chose Kamala on August 11th as his running mate/VP when he should have clearly known she was involved with bailing out these rioter's and protestors. 

I know you are trying to make him out to be some type of anti rioter/protestor, but it is clear, imo, he only spoke out about them when he was likely questioned about them. If you don't think that a man who is running to unseat Donald Trump could have said/done more to curb/stop these riots, then I don't know what to tell you? 

I'm talking about Biden not her. And I highly doubt he had any choice on who his running mate would be. He's always been a centrist in the party, the fringe who support AOC and antifa are not his base was my only point. 

All that aside Biden is a joke of a candidate I have never said otherwise. There's plenty of legitimate shit he's said and done that can be used against him without having to go with false info the twittersphere spits out. 

[Snake]

In this bizarre election year, Trump did something different: He wants to get 100% of his base to show up. He's helped by knowing that there are secret Trump supporters amongst both the independents and the Democrats, people who have learned to ignore his bombast and focus on his extraordinary economic and foreign policy accomplishments. He made it clear that he'll govern in his second term as he did in first, only better.

Meanwhile, Trump forced Biden to declare himself (although Biden managed to avoid stating explicitly that he'll pack the Supreme Court, ending the American experiment). This is what Trump got Biden to say:

"The party is me. Right now, I am the Democratic party." The Democrat party is a doddering old man who everyone knows was hopped up on Adderall to handle the debate.

On the subject of socialist medicine, "There is no manifesto..." Biden just disavowed the Democrat Party platform, which Bernie Sanders' team wrote. It's filled with socialist ideas.

"The Green New Deal is not my plan." First, this is a lie. Second, this is an atom bomb against the base, as it would be if Trump were to tell his base, "I'm going to tear down the wall."

"Nobody's going to build another coal-fired plant in America. No one's going to build another oil fire plant in America." What's that? Did I just hear Pennsylvania and West Virginia throw their weight to Trump?

"Antifa is an idea, not an organization." Tell that to those Americans -- many of them Democrats -- who saw "ideas" clad in black and spewing vile obscenities, burn down their businesses and drive from the streets the police who keep their communities safe.

Trump gave his base red meat. Even those who disliked his style will vote for him. Meanwhile, Biden left his base with a sour taste in their mouths, knowing they're being used.