ICEMAN! Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Why does the US hate on Cuba so much? Why the sanctions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Why does the US hate on Cuba so much? Why the sanctions? look up things like Cuban Missile Crisis, Bay of Pigs, probably the closest the world ever came to a nuclear war... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 cause onc 50 years ago Russia tried to put nuke missiles there and the bay of pigs was an embarrassment to the Kennedy legacy so we must never give in and let them govern themselves as they wish, democracy for all whether they want/ can handle it at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Why would Socialist Utopia Cuba want to trade with evil imperialistic capitalist United States........ Some you people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, 02sled said: look up things like Cuban Missile Crisis, Bay of Pigs, probably the closest the world ever came to a nuclear war... and yet immaterial post collapse of the USSR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, bussman said: Why would Socialist Utopia Cuba want to trade with evil imperialistic capitalist United States........ Some you people why is trump already crowing about pulling back on the relationship thats finally gotten to a conversation stage 50 years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: why is trump already crowing about pulling back on the relationship thats finally gotten to a conversation stage 50 years later. Why should I care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: why is trump already crowing about pulling back on the relationship thats finally gotten to a conversation stage 50 years later. Yea I don't get it? Cuba? Who fucking cares. Restore relations and move on? Why hold a 50+ year grudge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, ICEMAN! said: Yea I don't get it? Cuba? Who fucking cares. Restore relations and move on? Why hold a 50+ year grudge? American Arrogance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, bussman said: Why should I care? i want a new island to go to in the carribean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, 02sled said: look up things like Cuban Missile Crisis, Bay of Pigs, probably the closest the world ever came to a nuclear war... Oh yea that Russian missile episode in the 60's...and yet the president-elect spent half the election licking PUTIN's ballsack. So again, why the hate and sanctions on Cuba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: i want a new island to go to in the carribean. But it's crawling with pretentious douchebag Canadians, why not just go to Disney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: i want a new island to go to in the carribean. Cheapest place to vacation, that is the only reason Canadians flock there. 1 minute ago, bussman said: But it's crawling with pretentious douchebag Canadians, why not just go to Disney? Disney will cost you much more and you can't escape the Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, bussman said: But it's crawling with pretentious douchebag Canadians, why not just go to Disney? There are alot more douchebag americans.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Dave said: There are alot more douchebag americans.... But less pretentious. We still win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 28, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 28, 2016 What a remarkable place. Human rights in Cuba are under the scrutiny of human rights organizations, who accuse the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including arbitrary imprisonment and unfair trials.[1][2][3] International human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have drawn attention to the actions of the human rights movement and designated members of it as Prisoners of Conscience, such as Oscar Elías Biscet. In addition, the International Committee for Democracy in Cuba led by former heads of state Václav Havel of the Czech Republic, José María Aznar of Spain and Patricio Aylwin of Chile was created to support the civic movement.[4] Cuban law limits freedom of expression, association, assembly, movement, and the press. Concerns have also been expressed about the operation of due process. According to Human Rights Watch, even though Cuba, officially atheist until 1992, now "permits greater opportunities for religious expression than it did in past years, and has allowed several religious-run humanitarian groups to operate, the government still maintains tight control on religious institutions, affiliated groups, and individual believers."[1] Censorship in Cuba has also been at the center of complaints Political executions[edit] Various estimates have been made to ascertain the number of political executions carried out on behalf of the Cuban government in Cuba since the revolution. According to Amnesty International, death sentences from 1959–87 numbered 237 of which all but 21 were actually carried out.[19] The Cuban Government justified such measures on the grounds that the application of the death penalty in Cuba against war criminals and others followed the same procedure as that seen in the trials by the Allies in the Nuremberg trials. Some Cuban scholars maintain that had the government not applied severe legislation against the torturers, terrorists, and other criminals employed by the Batista regime, the people themselves would have taken justice into their own hands.[20] Latin American historian Thomas E. Skidmore says there had been 550 executions in the first six months of 1959.[21] British historian Hugh Thomas, in his study Cuba or the pursuit of freedom[22] stated that "perhaps" 5,000 executions had taken place by 1970,[21]while The World Handbook of Political and Social Indicators ascertained that there had been 2,113 political executions between the years of 1958–67.[21] Professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, Rudolph J. Rummel estimated the number of political executions at between 4,000 and 33,000 from 1958–87, with a mid range of 15,000.[23] One estimate from The Black Book of Communism is that throughout Cuba 15,000–17,000 people were executed. The vast majority of those executed following the 1959 revolution were policemen, politicians and informers of the Batista regime accused of crimes such as torture and murder, and their public trials and executions had widespread popular support among the Cuban population. Scholars generally agree that those executed were probably guilty as accused, but that the trials did not follow due process.[24] Forced labor camps and abuse of prisoners[edit] In 1986 a "Tribunal on Cuba" was held in Paris to present testimonies by former prisoners of Cuba's penal system to the international media. The gathering was sponsored by Resistance International and The Coalition of Committees for the Rights of Man in Cuba. The testimonies presented at the tribunal, before an international panel, alleged a pattern of torture in Cuba's prisons and "hard labor camps". These included beatings, biological experiments in diet restrictions, violent interrogations and extremely unsanitary conditions. The jury concurred with allegations of arbitrary arrests; sentencing by court martial with neither public audience nor defense; periods in hard labour camps without sufficient food, clothes and medical care; and the arrests of children over nine years old.[26] The number of reported executions in Cuba declined during the 1970s and by the 1980s were restricted to rare high-profile cases, notably the execution of General Arnaldo Ochoa in 1989. Ochoa, once proclaimed "Hero of the Revolution" by Fidel Castro, along with three other high-ranking officers, was brought to trial for drug trafficking. This offense carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, but Ochoa and the others were convicted of treason and promptly executed. Opponents of the Castro government outside of Cuba expressed skepticism about the legitimacy of Ochoa's arrest and execution Political repression[edit] Further information: Cuban dissidents A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[28] The report found that "cores of political prisoners arrested under Fidel continue to languish in prison, and Raúl has used draconian laws and sham trials to incarcerate scores more who have dared to exercise their fundamental rights." Freedom House classifies Cuba as being "Not Free",[29] and notes that "Cuba is the only country in the Americas that consistently makes Freedom House’s list of the Worst of the Worst: the World’s Most Repressive Societies for widespread abuses of political rights and civil liberties."[30] A 1999 Human Rights Watch report notes that the Interior Ministry has principal responsibility for monitoring the Cuban population for signs of dissent.[31] In 1991 two new mechanisms for internal surveillance and control emerged. Communist Party leaders organized the Singular Systems of Vigilance and Protection (Sistema Unico de Vigilancia y Protección, SUVP). Rapid Action Brigades (Brigadas de Acción Rapida, also referred to as Rapid Response Brigades, or Brigadas de Respuesta Rápida) observe and control dissidents.[31] The government also "maintains academic and labor files (expedientes escolares y laborales) for each citizen, in which officials record actions or statements that may bear on the person's loyalty to the revolution. Before advancing to a new school or position, the individual's record must first be deemed acceptable".[31] The opposition movement in Cuba is a widespread collection of individuals and nongovernmental organizations, most of whom are working for the respect of individual rights on the island.[32] Some of the best known Cuban members of the opposition include the Ladies in White (recipients of the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought), Martha Beatriz Roque, and Nobel Peace Prize nominee and Sakharov Prize winner Oswaldo Payá, as well as Oscar Elías Biscet, and Jorge Luis García Pérez "Antúnez." The movement is violently repressed by the State despite its nonviolent strategy for change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Highmark said: What a remarkable place. Human rights in Cuba are under the scrutiny of human rights organizations, who accuse the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including arbitrary imprisonment and unfair trials.[1][2][3] International human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have drawn attention to the actions of the human rights movement and designated members of it as Prisoners of Conscience, such as Oscar Elías Biscet. In addition, the International Committee for Democracy in Cuba led by former heads of state Václav Havel of the Czech Republic, José María Aznar of Spain and Patricio Aylwin of Chile was created to support the civic movement.[4] Cuban law limits freedom of expression, association, assembly, movement, and the press. Concerns have also been expressed about the operation of due process. According to Human Rights Watch, even though Cuba, officially atheist until 1992, now "permits greater opportunities for religious expression than it did in past years, and has allowed several religious-run humanitarian groups to operate, the government still maintains tight control on religious institutions, affiliated groups, and individual believers."[1] Censorship in Cuba has also been at the center of complaints Political executions[edit] Various estimates have been made to ascertain the number of political executions carried out on behalf of the Cuban government in Cuba since the revolution. According to Amnesty International, death sentences from 1959–87 numbered 237 of which all but 21 were actually carried out.[19] The Cuban Government justified such measures on the grounds that the application of the death penalty in Cuba against war criminals and others followed the same procedure as that seen in the trials by the Allies in the Nuremberg trials. Some Cuban scholars maintain that had the government not applied severe legislation against the torturers, terrorists, and other criminals employed by the Batista regime, the people themselves would have taken justice into their own hands.[20] Latin American historian Thomas E. Skidmore says there had been 550 executions in the first six months of 1959.[21] British historian Hugh Thomas, in his study Cuba or the pursuit of freedom[22] stated that "perhaps" 5,000 executions had taken place by 1970,[21]while The World Handbook of Political and Social Indicators ascertained that there had been 2,113 political executions between the years of 1958–67.[21] Professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, Rudolph J. Rummel estimated the number of political executions at between 4,000 and 33,000 from 1958–87, with a mid range of 15,000.[23] One estimate from The Black Book of Communism is that throughout Cuba 15,000–17,000 people were executed. The vast majority of those executed following the 1959 revolution were policemen, politicians and informers of the Batista regime accused of crimes such as torture and murder, and their public trials and executions had widespread popular support among the Cuban population. Scholars generally agree that those executed were probably guilty as accused, but that the trials did not follow due process.[24] Forced labor camps and abuse of prisoners[edit] In 1986 a "Tribunal on Cuba" was held in Paris to present testimonies by former prisoners of Cuba's penal system to the international media. The gathering was sponsored by Resistance International and The Coalition of Committees for the Rights of Man in Cuba. The testimonies presented at the tribunal, before an international panel, alleged a pattern of torture in Cuba's prisons and "hard labor camps". These included beatings, biological experiments in diet restrictions, violent interrogations and extremely unsanitary conditions. The jury concurred with allegations of arbitrary arrests; sentencing by court martial with neither public audience nor defense; periods in hard labour camps without sufficient food, clothes and medical care; and the arrests of children over nine years old.[26] The number of reported executions in Cuba declined during the 1970s and by the 1980s were restricted to rare high-profile cases, notably the execution of General Arnaldo Ochoa in 1989. Ochoa, once proclaimed "Hero of the Revolution" by Fidel Castro, along with three other high-ranking officers, was brought to trial for drug trafficking. This offense carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, but Ochoa and the others were convicted of treason and promptly executed. Opponents of the Castro government outside of Cuba expressed skepticism about the legitimacy of Ochoa's arrest and execution Political repression[edit] Further information: Cuban dissidents A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[28] The report found that "cores of political prisoners arrested under Fidel continue to languish in prison, and Raúl has used draconian laws and sham trials to incarcerate scores more who have dared to exercise their fundamental rights." Freedom House classifies Cuba as being "Not Free",[29] and notes that "Cuba is the only country in the Americas that consistently makes Freedom House’s list of the Worst of the Worst: the World’s Most Repressive Societies for widespread abuses of political rights and civil liberties."[30] A 1999 Human Rights Watch report notes that the Interior Ministry has principal responsibility for monitoring the Cuban population for signs of dissent.[31] In 1991 two new mechanisms for internal surveillance and control emerged. Communist Party leaders organized the Singular Systems of Vigilance and Protection (Sistema Unico de Vigilancia y Protección, SUVP). Rapid Action Brigades (Brigadas de Acción Rapida, also referred to as Rapid Response Brigades, or Brigadas de Respuesta Rápida) observe and control dissidents.[31] The government also "maintains academic and labor files (expedientes escolares y laborales) for each citizen, in which officials record actions or statements that may bear on the person's loyalty to the revolution. Before advancing to a new school or position, the individual's record must first be deemed acceptable".[31] The opposition movement in Cuba is a widespread collection of individuals and nongovernmental organizations, most of whom are working for the respect of individual rights on the island.[32] Some of the best known Cuban members of the opposition include the Ladies in White (recipients of the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought), Martha Beatriz Roque, and Nobel Peace Prize nominee and Sakharov Prize winner Oswaldo Payá, as well as Oscar Elías Biscet, and Jorge Luis García Pérez "Antúnez." The movement is violently repressed by the State despite its nonviolent strategy for change What was your trade deficit with China last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: and yet immaterial post collapse of the USSR some people hold a grudge... including Fidel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, bussman said: But less pretentious. We still win. You got to be joking right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, bussman said: But it's crawling with pretentious douchebag Canadians, why not just go to Disney? One of the reasons we like it is we don't have to put up with loud arrogant Americans 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, 02sled said: One of the reasons we like it is we don't have to put up with loud arrogant Americans Sounds like a win win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, 02sled said: One of the reasons we like it is we don't have to put up with loud arrogant Americans to the maximum max!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, 02sled said: One of the reasons we like it is we don't have to put up with loud arrogant Americans Don't know anyone who has gone there who would go back. Much like the Dominican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, 02sled said: One of the reasons we like it is we don't have to put up with loud arrogant Americans So you'll put your stamp of approval on Castro's regime by spending your money and vacationing there but draw the line when our Prime Minister offers condolences? Way to stand up for human rights? LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 28, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 28, 2016 20 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: What was your trade deficit with China last year? Way more than it should have been. I'm no fan of China so don't even go there. Do some research on when Castro emptied his prision's and but them on boats to Florida. Caused massive problems in the US. I won't even go into the whole Cuban Missile deal where Castro was hoping for WWIII. There are quotes from Russian Premier Khrushchev proving this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev had to remind Castro that the point of putting Soviet missiles in Cuba was to further Communist interests, not spark Armageddon. “This is insane!” Khrushchev exploded at the time. “Fidel wants to drag us into the grave with him!” http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/27/may-fidel-castros-crimes-humanity-rest-grave/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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