Here it is right here CDC forcing doctors to label everything covid19

[jtssrx]

 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by jtssrx

[jtssrx]

Yep not a fucking peep from the covid19 suckers

[Anler]

[Rigid1]

17 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

Yep not a fucking peep from the covid19 suckers

Ummm, neither mentioned the CDC verbally or in the type above the video?? 

 

Where did you get CDC from??

 

Where is the "force" you speak of?? he didnt mention anything about being relieved of any position or stripped of any license if he didnt comply??

[jtssrx]

The Doctor says CDC guidelines and here's the document. 

 

 

  

[Rigid1]

2 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

The Doctor says CDC guidelines and here's the document. 

 

 

  

watched it 3 times, can you point out the time in the 2:07 vid where he says cdc and where he was forced to do so by them??

[Anler]

2 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

watched it 3 times, can you point out the time in the 2:07 vid where he says cdc and where he was forced to do so by them??

You sir are a party pooper!

[jtssrx]

Just now, Rigid1 said:

watched it 3 times, can you point out the time in the 2:07 vid where he says cdc and where he was forced to do so by them??

At the beginning, he says he received a 7-page document they link the document in the tweet below. Here is the document right from the CDC website

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

 

[jtssrx]

Just now, Anler said:

You sir are a party pooper!

No he's wrong I've linked it three times now and explained he's mentions the document right at the beginning and then I linked the document from the CDC website

[frenchy]

8 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

At the beginning, he says he received a 7-page document they link the document in the tweet below. Here is the document right from the CDC website

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

 

that doc doesn't support what the video in the OP claims. 

[Anler]

[Rigid1]

30 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

At the beginning, he says he received a 7-page document they link the document in the tweet below. Here is the document right from the CDC website

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

 

He never said CDC though?? So you made that up.. There was nothing mentioned about force either,..so you made that up.

I skimmed over the document, it is from the CDC but does not support what the guy in the video says?? Actually it's kinda the opposite JT.. 

 

[Anler]

Damn you guys are sheep

[Rigid1]

5 minutes ago, Anler said:

Damn you guys are sheep

I don't know if it's just me, but it looks like there is a 20yr age difference between the guy in the video and the guys profile pic on tweeter

[jtssrx]

21 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

He never said CDC though?? So you made that up.. There was nothing mentioned about force either,..so you made that up.

I skimmed over the document, it is from the CDC but does not support what the guy in the video says?? Actually it's kinda the opposite JT.. 

 

Ya I made it up. 

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-dr-birx-admits-overcounting-covid-19-deaths-heart-attacks-mysteriously-plummet/

Horowitz: Dr. Birx admits to overcounting COVID-19 deaths, as heart attacks mysteriously plummet

 

Why would our governing elites be so motivated to overstate the impact of COVID-19 and scare people beyond the unprecedented levels of panic that are already pervasive in this country?

Believe it or not, the coronavirus epidemic does not stop deaths from other causes. While the politicians are shutting down other medical care in this country, they fail to recognize that life and even death go on. Many of us have been concerned that they have been conflating deaths due to coronavirus with deaths of those who have coronavirus but ultimately succumb to other illnesses. In their quest to continue this degree of fascism, plus in the motivation of some hospitals to get more federal relief funds, there is every incentive to code as many deaths as possible as related to COVID-19.

Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”

“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1247669966939262977?s=21

Truth be told, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has already indicated that COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded based on definitive confirmation that the virus caused death in a given decedent. “In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely, it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’,” the CDC advises in its April guidance for recording COVID-19 deaths. “In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgment in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.”

When Birx was asked whether such an approach to toxicology could “skew data,” Birx conceded it might be a possibility in parts of the country where testing is not widespread, but not in the hot spots. “I’m pretty confident that in New York City and New Jersey and places that have these large outbreaks and COVID-only hospitals … I can tell you they are testing,” she said.

But so what if they are testing? There’s a difference between someone dying of COVID-19 and someone dying with COVID-19. Typically, an autopsy would be performed to determine the actual cause of death. This is very important in determining the real fatality rate of the virus.

Some might suggest that it makes sense to count these deaths as COVID-19-related because although some of these people were sick with other ailments, they likely died only due to the virus. But we don’t know that to be true. If that were the case, the number of other common morbidities would be stable as coronavirus deaths skyrocket. However, new anecdotal evidence suggests that heart attack fatalities have mysteriously plummeted.

Harlan Krumholz, a doctor at Yale New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, wrote in the New York Times earlier this week that his hospital is eerily empty of heart and stroke patients. While some of this is due to the cancellation of elective surgeries, it doesn’t explain the drop in other medical emergencies that are not elective or planned. “What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared,” wrote Dr. Krumholz.

Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle.  This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction.

Dr. Krumholz posits that perhaps some patients are dying in silence at home out of fear of coming to the hospital. He explores possible reasons for a reduction in other illnesses, but seems to believe that, if anything, given the anxiety and stress of this crisis, we should be seeing more heart attacks. It’s one thing to expect car accident fatalities to plummet, given how few people are on the roads. But heart attacks?

While Dr. Krumholz’s main point is to warn people not to be deterred from seeking medical care for other emergencies, perhaps he is glossing over another factor. Could it be that some of those mysteriously absent heart attack and stroke patients are really in the COVID-19 cases?

Dr. Krumholz explains that his fellow doctors actually expected to see more heart attacks because “respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks.”

“Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke,” observes Krumholz. “The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now.”

Well, what if I told you that this is actually happening, but these cases are being recorded as COVID-19 deaths, not as heart attacks, simply because the patient died with the virus?

This is what is so sad about our medical elite in America. There is such an eager agenda to use this crisis to restrict liberties and, as California Governor Gavin Newsom revealed, as “an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”

President Eisenhower famously warned against the “military-industrial complex.” However, just as importantly, during his farewell address in 1961, he warned against the scientific-industrial complex. “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

As we see one “scientific” model after another proven wrong in pursuit of a police state, perhaps it’s time we call BS on the “scientific-technological elite.”

 

 

[XC.Morrison]

The CDC link that was posted doesn't say anywhere close to "report all deaths no matter the cause as COVID-19" as either the immediate cause of death or underlying cause of death nor does it mention any repercussions for insubordination.  

THREAD FAIL

Edited April 8, 2020 by XC.Morrison

[Jimmy Snacks]

Good god what an absolute moron...keep digging JT...it's pure gold!!!! 

[Rigid1]

19 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

Ya I made it up. 

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-dr-birx-admits-overcounting-covid-19-deaths-heart-attacks-mysteriously-plummet/

Horowitz: Dr. Birx admits to overcounting COVID-19 deaths, as heart attacks mysteriously plummet

 

Why would our governing elites be so motivated to overstate the impact of COVID-19 and scare people beyond the unprecedented levels of panic that are already pervasive in this country?

Believe it or not, the coronavirus epidemic does not stop deaths from other causes. While the politicians are shutting down other medical care in this country, they fail to recognize that life and even death go on. Many of us have been concerned that they have been conflating deaths due to coronavirus with deaths of those who have coronavirus but ultimately succumb to other illnesses. In their quest to continue this degree of fascism, plus in the motivation of some hospitals to get more federal relief funds, there is every incentive to code as many deaths as possible as related to COVID-19.

Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”

“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1247669966939262977?s=21

Truth be told, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has already indicated that COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded based on definitive confirmation that the virus caused death in a given decedent. “In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely, it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’,” the CDC advises in its April guidance for recording COVID-19 deaths. “In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgment in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.”

When Birx was asked whether such an approach to toxicology could “skew data,” Birx conceded it might be a possibility in parts of the country where testing is not widespread, but not in the hot spots. “I’m pretty confident that in New York City and New Jersey and places that have these large outbreaks and COVID-only hospitals … I can tell you they are testing,” she said.

But so what if they are testing? There’s a difference between someone dying of COVID-19 and someone dying with COVID-19. Typically, an autopsy would be performed to determine the actual cause of death. This is very important in determining the real fatality rate of the virus.

Some might suggest that it makes sense to count these deaths as COVID-19-related because although some of these people were sick with other ailments, they likely died only due to the virus. But we don’t know that to be true. If that were the case, the number of other common morbidities would be stable as coronavirus deaths skyrocket. However, new anecdotal evidence suggests that heart attack fatalities have mysteriously plummeted.

Harlan Krumholz, a doctor at Yale New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, wrote in the New York Times earlier this week that his hospital is eerily empty of heart and stroke patients. While some of this is due to the cancellation of elective surgeries, it doesn’t explain the drop in other medical emergencies that are not elective or planned. “What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared,” wrote Dr. Krumholz.

Heart attack and stroke teams, always poised to rush in and save lives, are mostly idle.  This is not just at my hospital. My fellow cardiologists have shared with me that their cardiology consultations have shrunk, except those related to Covid-19. In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction.

Dr. Krumholz posits that perhaps some patients are dying in silence at home out of fear of coming to the hospital. He explores possible reasons for a reduction in other illnesses, but seems to believe that, if anything, given the anxiety and stress of this crisis, we should be seeing more heart attacks. It’s one thing to expect car accident fatalities to plummet, given how few people are on the roads. But heart attacks?

While Dr. Krumholz’s main point is to warn people not to be deterred from seeking medical care for other emergencies, perhaps he is glossing over another factor. Could it be that some of those mysteriously absent heart attack and stroke patients are really in the COVID-19 cases?

Dr. Krumholz explains that his fellow doctors actually expected to see more heart attacks because “respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks.”

“Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke,” observes Krumholz. “The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now.”

Well, what if I told you that this is actually happening, but these cases are being recorded as COVID-19 deaths, not as heart attacks, simply because the patient died with the virus?

This is what is so sad about our medical elite in America. There is such an eager agenda to use this crisis to restrict liberties and, as California Governor Gavin Newsom revealed, as “an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”

President Eisenhower famously warned against the “military-industrial complex.” However, just as importantly, during his farewell address in 1961, he warned against the scientific-industrial complex. “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

As we see one “scientific” model after another proven wrong in pursuit of a police state, perhaps it’s time we call BS on the “scientific-technological elite.”

 

 

JT, did you read what you posted?? Look I'm sure there are some mistakes being made in diagnosis but you keep say shit that isn't true,..even when it's pointed the fuck out..look when someone jumps off a building, cause of death isn't suicide, #1 reads the cause of death,..massive trauma to head and organs let's say.. #2 reads due to suicide..I mean fuck.. you're obviously a smart guy, but that's how a death certificate is filled out..

Ihave a surgical trauma ICU nurse sitting next to me who sees someone die every single day for the past 18 years..there isn't a single death certificate filled out with "covid-19" at all.. 

[frenchy]

5 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

JT, did you read what you posted?? Look I'm sure there are some mistakes being made in diagnosis but you keep say shit that isn't true,..even when it's pointed the fuck out..look when someone jumps off a building, cause of death isn't suicide, #1 reads the cause of death,..massive trauma to head and organs let's say.. #2 reads due to suicide..I mean fuck.. you're obviously a smart guy, but that's how a death certificate is filled out..

Ihave a surgical trauma ICU nurse sitting next to me who sees someone die every single day for the past 18 years..there isn't a single death certificate filled out with "covid-19" at all.. 

he's just bound and determined to uncover a nefarious ulterior motive, as are a good number here. And when you can't, just create one. And then they have the gall and audacity to claim others are being led.

Trump certainly has created a nice, ignorant, fake news at every turn believing army. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by frenchy

[Kev144]

4 minutes ago, frenchy said:

he's just bound and determined to uncover a nefarious ulterior motive, as are a good number here. And when you can't, just create one. And then they have the gall and audacity to claim others are being led.

Trump certainly has created a nice, ignorant, fake news at every turn believing army. 

Honestly when I think of trump supporter and who actually believes some of the shut he says, I think jt fits the bill. 

[Rigid1]

2 minutes ago, frenchy said:

he's just bound and determined to uncover a nefarious ulterior motive, as are a good number here. And when you can't, just create one. And then they have the gall and audacity to claim others are being led.

Trump certainly has created a nice, ignorant, fake news at every turn believing army. 

Oh I think China knew exactly what they were doing, and I also think China held back in reporting it, and I think China made this shit to get things back to normal (meaning business as usual between the US and them) 

 

But that's my opinion and not fact..

[Rigid1]

Just now, Kev144 said:

Honestly when I think of trump supporter and who actually believes some of the shut he says, I think jt fits the bill. 

I support Trump, as of this up coming election and the 2016 election my opinion is he was and is the better candidate for America..

[frenchy]

13 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

Oh I think China knew exactly what they were doing, and I also think China held back in reporting it, and I think China made this shit to get things back to normal (meaning business as usual between the US and them) 

 

But that's my opinion and not fact..

not talking about China that's another discussion altogether, and I don't trust a thing they say or do, never have.....talking about the narrative that the US government is purposely inflating death figures via directives to the medical community. 

[Woodtick]

[SSFB]

6 minutes ago, Woodtick said: