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Just now, ACE said:

They’re paid by the DNC to knock Bernie down

Oh I know but they also basically promote everything he campaigns on.   Its hilarious. 

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Just now, Wildboer said:

What a load of bullshit. Misleading claims, cherry picked numbers. They're not even trying to hide the fact that this is propaganda.

The deep state is attacking sanders. All of the sudden the neocons like the deep state! :lol: 

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12 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

What a load of bullshit. Misleading claims, cherry picked numbers. They're not even trying to hide the fact that this is propaganda.

Like what?

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46 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Like what?

"Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than the US." No shit, their populations are Tiny compared to the US. It's a completely misleading way to frame the comparison.

The bit about high taxes on the working and middle class in those countries clearly implies Bernie is going to raise taxes on those people too. Bernie's proposed tax plan would leave tax rates the same as they are now for individual making $250,000 a year or less and families making $500,000 or less. On top of that they mention these Scandinavian countries utilize a value added tax for much of their revenue. Anyone who knows anything about Sanders' policy proposals knows damn well a value added tax is antithetical to his views on the economy.

As far as the part about trade... What kind of idiot would compare the role of trade in tiny Scandinavian economies to the role of trade in the US economy?

Basically the article completely ignores Sanders' actual policy proposals and falsely suggests he wants to implement all kinds of shit he's never supported.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

 

"Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than the US." No shit, their populations are Tiny compared to the US. It's a completely misleading way to frame the comparison.

The bit about high taxes on the working and middle class in those countries clearly implies Bernie is going to raise taxes on those people too. Bernie's proposed tax plan would leave tax rates the same as they are now for individual making $250,000 a year or less and families making $500,000 or less. On top of that they mention these Scandinavian countries utilize a value added tax for much of their revenue. Anyone who knows anything about Sanders' policy proposals knows damn well a value added tax is antithetical to his views on the economy.

As far as the part about trade... What kind of idiot would compare the role of trade in tiny Scandinavian economies to the role of trade in the US economy?

Basically the article completely ignores Sanders' actual policy proposals and falsely suggests he wants to implement all kinds of shit he's never supported.

 

 

So your saying it's nonsensical to compare the US to such a small country? 

The truth is Sanders is only showing tax revenue about half of the cost of the programs he wants to implement.  Yes he has claims of more calculated revenue from certain things his program will create but he doesn't take into account loss of revenue taxes can cause from decreased economic activity.

He would have to tax WAY down the income level chart to pay for what he wants to do.   There is no way around it.

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3 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

 

"Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than the US." No shit, their populations are Tiny compared to the US. It's a completely misleading way to frame the comparison.

The bit about high taxes on the working and middle class in those countries clearly implies Bernie is going to raise taxes on those people too. Bernie's proposed tax plan would leave tax rates the same as they are now for individual making $250,000 a year or less and families making $500,000 or less. On top of that they mention these Scandinavian countries utilize a value added tax for much of their revenue. Anyone who knows anything about Sanders' policy proposals knows damn well a value added tax is antithetical to his views on the economy.

As far as the part about trade... What kind of idiot would compare the role of trade in tiny Scandinavian economies to the role of trade in the US economy?

Basically the article completely ignores Sanders' actual policy proposals and falsely suggests he wants to implement all kinds of shit he's never supported.

 

 

Those billionaires are oil rich in Scandinavia that is what's fueling there welfare state and bank fraud bread line Bernie will put a moritorium on fracking and outlaw hydrocarbons  :guzzle: his policies are insane 

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8 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

 

"Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than the US." No shit, their populations are Tiny compared to the US. It's a completely misleading way to frame the comparison.

The bit about high taxes on the working and middle class in those countries clearly implies Bernie is going to raise taxes on those people too. Bernie's proposed tax plan would leave tax rates the same as they are now for individual making $250,000 a year or less and families making $500,000 or less. On top of that they mention these Scandinavian countries utilize a value added tax for much of their revenue. Anyone who knows anything about Sanders' policy proposals knows damn well a value added tax is antithetical to his views on the economy.

As far as the part about trade... What kind of idiot would compare the role of trade in tiny Scandinavian economies to the role of trade in the US economy?

Basically the article completely ignores Sanders' actual policy proposals and falsely suggests he wants to implement all kinds of shit he's never supported.

 

 

You need to give your head a shake.

A few years ago, the Ontario Liberal pushed by the communist NDP pushed and received a tax bracket on people making 500K or more.

Didn't even last a year before the 500K was lowered to 200K. 

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21 minutes ago, Highmark said:

So your saying it's nonsensical to compare the US to such a small country? 

No. I'm saying this particular "per capita" statistic is utilizing the the difference in size to create a misleading comparison. What's even the point in comparing the amount of billionares per capita between Scandinavia and the US if Scandinavia isn't even using a tax on the rich to fund their safety net? Again, the point is to mislead.

 

10 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

You need to give your head a shake.

A few years ago, the Ontario Liberal pushed by the communist NDP pushed and received a tax bracket on people making 500K or more.

Didn't even last a year before the 500K was lowered to 200K. 

I just looked up Ontario tax brackets... It goes from 12% to 13% past $220,000 :lol: That's a fucking joke dude. 

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6 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

No. I'm saying this particular "per capita" statistic is utilizing the the difference in size to create a misleading comparison. What's even the point in comparing the amount of billionares per capita between Scandinavia and the US if Scandinavia isn't even using a tax on the rich to fund their safety net? Again, the point is to mislead.

 

I just looked up Ontario tax brackets... It goes from 12% to 13% past $220,000 :lol: That's a fucking joke dude. 

Total is 54% over 220K.

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1 hour ago, Wildboer said:

 

"Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than the US." No shit, their populations are Tiny compared to the US. It's a completely misleading way to frame the comparison.

The bit about high taxes on the working and middle class in those countries clearly implies Bernie is going to raise taxes on those people too. Bernie's proposed tax plan would leave tax rates the same as they are now for individual making $250,000 a year or less and families making $500,000 or less. On top of that they mention these Scandinavian countries utilize a value added tax for much of their revenue. Anyone who knows anything about Sanders' policy proposals knows damn well a value added tax is antithetical to his views on the economy.

As far as the part about trade... What kind of idiot would compare the role of trade in tiny Scandinavian economies to the role of trade in the US economy?

Basically the article completely ignores Sanders' actual policy proposals and falsely suggests he wants to implement all kinds of shit he's never supported.

 

 

Bernie said last week he would raise taxes on everyone making $29k or more per year to cover healthcare. 

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Just now, AKIQPilot said:

Bernie said last week he would raise taxes on everyone making $29k or more per year to cover healthcare. 

But it's not going to cost you because you won't be paying your employer for your portion

And if you like your plan you can keep it 

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Just now, AKIQPilot said:

Bernie said last week he would raise taxes on everyone making $29k or more per year to cover healthcare. 

Bernie is a twat. Oh, by the way, he can't just raise taxes on his own. His agenda is dead on arrival 

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33 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

No. I'm saying this particular "per capita" statistic is utilizing the the difference in size to create a misleading comparison. What's even the point in comparing the amount of billionares per capita between Scandinavia and the US if Scandinavia isn't even using a tax on the rich to fund their safety net? Again, the point is to mislead.

 

I just looked up Ontario tax brackets... It goes from 12% to 13% past $220,000 :lol: That's a fucking joke dude. 

Oh in this particular instance.  :lol:  I've been saying for years comparing what works in a small country to the US is pointless.  

Dude Bernie would need to tax the MC heavily to even remotely pay for what he wants to do.   He also assumes major concessions in wages from the HC industry.   Good luck with that. 

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20 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

Bernie is a twat. Oh, by the way, he can't just raise taxes on his own. His agenda is dead on arrival 

Can you imagine the blame game.  :lol:  

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17 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Total is 54% over 220K.

You said Ontario tax brackets, now you're adding national income tax to the equation. If that NDP tax bracket didn't exist the total would still be 53% over 220k...

12 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

Bernie said last week he would raise taxes on everyone making $29k or more per year to cover healthcare. 

Good point, this hit piece completely failed to mention the payroll tax that would replace those people's current costs for private health insurance. Well, except for the freeloaders without health insurance who just run up costs for everyone else when they get sick. Maybe Fareed could have done a comparison of funding social safety nets with a payroll tax rather than a value added tax like Scandinavia instead of cobbling together this misleading bullshit about income taxes.

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2 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

You said Ontario tax brackets, now you're adding national income tax to the equation. If that NDP tax bracket didn't exist the total would still be 53% over 220k...

Good point, this hit piece completely failed to mention the payroll tax that would replace those people's current costs for private health insurance. Well, except for the freeloaders without health insurance who just run up costs for everyone else when they get sick. Maybe Fareed could have done a comparison of funding social safety nets with a payroll tax rather than a value added tax like Scandinavia instead of cobbling together this misleading bullshit about income taxes.

Bernie wants to raise taxes on the majority of Americans. That is a fact. 

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5 minutes ago, Wildboer said:

You said Ontario tax brackets, now you're adding national income tax to the equation. If that NDP tax bracket didn't exist the total would still be 53% over 220k...

Good point, this hit piece completely failed to mention the payroll tax that would replace those people's current costs for private health insurance. Well, except for the freeloaders without health insurance who just run up costs for everyone else when they get sick. Maybe Fareed could have done a comparison of funding social safety nets with a payroll tax rather than a value added tax like Scandinavia instead of cobbling together this misleading bullshit about income taxes.

You don't understand our tax and the surtaxes.  

 

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