thewayout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: Do they spec out a rougher surf finish for gasket sealing? Yes, usually between 75-125 surface finish is acceptable for gasket surfaces. That however looks like shit. It may be on the very edge of 125 but me personally? I would never leave a production part looking like that. Edited December 11, 2019 by thewayout 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mileage Psycho said: You better believe they are burning down!!! 300 miles. Is this a 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, irv said: Or possibly a cold seizure? It was surely hot, no doubt about that. But I don't think cold seizure, way to much piston melting for that. Not to mention both pistons are severely f'ed up. But there is absolutely no oil anywhere. Not even in bottom. If it truely only has 300 miles, the ECU should be just dumping oil in it yet. Not to mention extra fuel during break-in. I would be curious as to what pipe and ECU controller if any was on there. Not saying it couldn't have happened from OEM, but that ECU would have to be all sorts of fucked up. Edited December 11, 2019 by Legend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 IS this at dealer? Or in owners garage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Here’s a mercury I6 Verado block and head for surface finish reference. I’m currently doing prop shafts for the 40-60, 75-150, and V8 pro xs motors as we speak. Edited December 11, 2019 by thewayout 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, thewayout said: Here’s a mercury I6 Verado block and head for surface finish reference. I’m currently doing prop shafts for the 40-60, 75-150, and V8 pro xs motors as we speak. That's how it's suppose to look, not like that block in those previous pics. I took machining in High school and there's no way that would have been close to being acceptable way back then, much less in a big business/corporation like Polaris. Zero quality control. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, irv said: That's how it's suppose to look, not like that block in those previous pics. I took machining in High school and there's no way that would have been close to being acceptable way back then, much less in a big business/corporation like Polaris. Zero quality control. I’m a big poo guy and I love their axys chassis, but to me this is pretty obvious that QC is poor at best and they are rushing engines out as fast as they can make them to keep up with demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, thewayout said: I’m a big poo guy and I love their axys chassis, but to me this is pretty obvious that QC is poor at best and they are rushing engines out as fast as they can make them to keep up with demand. Instead of Liberty motors they should jsut call them what they are meth motors. it's what happens when MN meth heads build your motors not the japanese. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, thewayout said: I’m a big poo guy and I love their axys chassis, but to me this is pretty obvious that QC is poor at best and they are rushing engines out as fast as they can make them to keep up with demand. More than likely but it's either a pay now or later scenario. I guess they hope, with their fingers crossed, that many don't come back. That's just brutal and totally unacceptable, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, thewayout said: Yes, usually between 75-125 surface finish is acceptable for gasket surfaces. That however looks like shit. It may be on the very edge of 125 but me personally? I would never leave a production part looking like that. I was thinking possibly they spec-ed it rough on purpose for gasket sealer? I'm not sure they even use gasket sealer on those tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: Instead of Liberty motors they should jsut call them what they are meth motors. it's what happens when MN meth heads build your motors not the japanese. It’s a pretty easy fix TBH. Pay a proper wage to get some good engineers, programmers, and machinists in there. Buy some new equipment and pay a few bucks more an hour to get some decent assembly techs there. It all comes down to investments in people and capital equipment. It will pay the company back long term. Also, how about an incentive plan internally for rewarding employees based on QC acceptance numbers and warranty related failure numbers being below a certain %? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevester Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, thewayout said: I’m a big poo guy and I love their axys chassis, but to me this is pretty obvious that QC is poor at best and they are rushing engines out as fast as they can make them to keep up with demand. I would assume it's for gasket sealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Reevester said: I would assume it's for gasket sealer. The 850 uses gasket sealer on the cylinder base gasket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reevester said: I would assume it's for gasket sealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: The 850 uses gasket sealer on the cylinder base gasket? Do they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, thewayout said: It’s a pretty easy fix TBH. Pay a proper wage to get some good engineers, programmers, and machinists in there. Buy some new equipment and pay a few bucks more an hour to get some decent assembly techs there. It all comes down to investments in people and capital equipment. It will pay the company back long term. Also, how about an incentive plan internally for rewarding employees based on QC acceptance numbers and warranty related failure numbers being below a certain %? Let's be honest here - that's some pretty simple machining. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, thewayout said: It’s a pretty easy fix TBH. Pay a proper wage to get some good engineers, programmers, and machinists in there. Buy some new equipment and pay a few bucks more an hour to get some decent assembly techs there. It all comes down to investments in people and capital equipment. It will pay the company back long term. Also, how about an incentive plan internally for rewarding employees based on QC acceptance numbers and warranty related failure numbers being below a certain %? I want the japanese building my product. This can apply to motors as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevester Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: The 850 uses gasket sealer on the cylinder base gasket? Not totally sure. The do for the case halves I'm sure though. It good be residue from a paper gasket too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reevester said: Not totally sure. The do for the case halves I'm sure though. It good be residue from a paper gasket too. Ghetto ass gasket Should be metal with a copper layer of sealant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevester Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Ghetto ass gasket Should be metal with a copper layer of sealant Yep those shouldn't block oil lines up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: Do they Well I havent personally had an 850 apart but Polaris has not used gasket sealer on the base gasket in at least 30 years prior to now. A typical poo base gasket is metal with a copper or silicone seal impregnated into the gasket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayout Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: I want the japanese building my product. This can apply to motors as well Then why do you have a Mexican assembled explorer :news: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Well I havent personally had an 850 apart but Polaris has not used gasket sealer on the base gasket in at least 30 years prior to now. A typical poo base gasket is metal with a copper or silicone seal impregnated into the gasket. Wouldn't seem like they wouldnt need one for that - but not sure if they used a dash of sealer now if they had previous issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, thewayout said: Here’s a mercury I6 Verado block and head for surface finish reference. I’m currently doing prop shafts for the 40-60, 75-150, and V8 pro xs motors as we speak. What kind of machine are you doing that on? Cast steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Well I havent personally had an 850 apart but Polaris has not used gasket sealer on the base gasket in at least 30 years prior to now. A typical poo base gasket is metal with a copper or silicone seal impregnated into the gasket. Same here. What they had worked great, I would hope they didn't change it much. The base gasket on the 800s is fantastic. I use them over and over. And whatever they use on case halves is very minute. The cases are machined so that you really don't even need sealer. But you certainly don't want too much. That machining on the top case to cylinder really doesn't matter that much. The gasket covers that. Just has to be flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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