NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: No. It only works if it is hypothetical. Huh? They are thought experiments that are obviously hypothetical. What is the difference between wanting your child to be happy irrespective of you feelings, and wanting someone to live irrespective of your feelings? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Kivalo said: If I intentionally killed someone I would not do well with it. If I did not mean to kill someone and I did I would be very very bad with it. As for my kids, I would rather they actually do well despite my misgivings, with ones on children its not always about making the self feel better. Are they in conflict? I guess so. Still thats the way Id rather have it. Honest response. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I'd answer but I dont want to brain my damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 Anyone who would rather think their kids are doing good over have them actually doing good is an idiot and shouldn't be a parent. About as selfish as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Highmark said: Anyone who would rather think their kids are doing good over have them actually doing good is an idiot and shouldn't be a parent. About as selfish as it gets. And the first? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Huh? They are thought experiments that are obviously hypothetical. What is the difference between wanting your child to be happy irrespective of you feelings, and wanting someone to live irrespective of your feelings? Neal That wasn’t the question. And it’s deeper from a psychological perspective even if it was. One is concerning “your child” and the other is concerning “someone”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Would you rather think that lug height effects final drive ratio when it really doesn’t. Or would you rather have lug height effect final drive ratio, but believe it doesn’t? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: Would you rather think that lug height effects final drive ratio when it really doesn’t. Or would you rather have lug height effect final drive ratio, but believe it doesn’t? Sweet fuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: That wasn’t the question. And it’s deeper from a physiological perspective than that even if it was. One is concerning “your child” and the other is concerning “someone”. I understand that, but your reply was that you wanted your child to be happy for their own sake, thus irrespective of your feelings. Why would you not extend that to "someone". Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Would you rather think that lug height effects final drive ratio when it really doesn’t. Or would you rather have lug height effect final drive ratio, but believe it doesn’t? Yes to both! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: And the first? Neal Honestly I can't answer without more details on the cause of death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I understand that, but your reply was that you wanted your child to be happy for their own sake, thus irrespective of your feelings. Why would you not extend that to "someone". Neal Live and let die.....they started it!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Honestly I can't answer without more details on the cause of death. Ok... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Does it matter? It's a thought experiment designed to get you to think about what your moral landscape is. Neal Of course it does. We make moral decisions based on circumstances. We approve of people killing in self defense, but not out of anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Honestly I can't answer without more details on the cause of death. They are just hypothetical morality questions. In other words, concerning the first, are your feelings worth more to you that someone else’s life is to you? I think your answer is no. And YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cold War said: Of course it does. We make moral decisions based on circumstances. We approve of people killing in self defense, but not out of anger. You can apply either/both situations to the question. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Live and let die.....they started it!!!! No live and let live? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: No live and let live? Neal We can all act like that but, there is really no such thing as a truly unselfish act so...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: We can all act like that but, there is really no such thing as a truly unselfish act so...... I agree. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Kivalo said: Id rather kill someone and not know it. Id rather my kids do well and I think they didnt. x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Ok... Neal If the killing was justified 1. Not...2. I'd rather think I killed someone and didn't if they didn't deserve it. Better I think it than an innocent person actually be dead. Edited May 1, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I agree. Neal I get conflicted when you agree with me. It’s both satisfying and infuriating!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Zambroski said: I get conflicted when you agree with me. It’s both satisfying and infuriating!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Would you rather kill someone and not remember it, or think that you had killed someone but not actually done it? For a softer version, would you rather your children do well in their school/education, but you think they don't, or that they do poorly but you think they do well? Neal Both scenarios suck. But I guess I'd have to take the hit on both. Think I'd killed someone even though I hadn't and have them do well even though I think they aren't. Wouldn't they be pissed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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