NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Would you rather kill someone and not remember it, or think that you had killed someone but not actually done it? For a softer version, would you rather your children do well in their school/education, but you think they don't, or that they do poorly but you think they do well? Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 First for both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Moral reasoning. Can’t answer the first. Second is they do well and I don’t think they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: First for both. Why do you care if your children do well? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Moral reasoning. Can’t answer the first. Second is they do well and I don’t think they do. Why do you care if your children do well? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Why do you care if your children do well? Neal Because I want her to be happy and I know it makes her happy to do well. Or, do you want me to answer more philosophically? Generically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Why do you care if your children do well? Neal Smart children can support me in a nice home. Not some public assistance rat trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Because I want her to be happy and I know it makes her happy to do well. Or, do you want me to answer more philosophically? Generically? The answer is up to you, I just like the brain engagement. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Smart children can support me in a nice home. Not some public assistance rat trap. So your are a selfish prick eh? So could the person you killed in #1... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Why do you care if your children do well? Neal SMH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Highmark said: SMH. You are confused? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: The answer is up to you, I just like the brain engagement. Neal Ok, philosophical version: it’s not about our own self interest to feel good or bad about another persons ability to do well or “be happy”......as we choose to define both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Ok, philosophical version: it’s not about our own self interest to feel good or bad about another persons ability to do well or “be happy”......as we choose to define both. So that kinda makes the decision for #1 question for you, doesn't it? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: You are confused? Neal Not at all. Its just a stupid question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 1, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 Id rather kill someone and not know it. Id rather my kids do well and I think they didnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Not at all. Its just a stupid question. It isn't, but if you feel comfortable believing that nonsense go ahead. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Kivalo said: Id rather kill someone and not know it. Id rather my kids do well and I think they didnt. Why? Would it matter if you knew the person you killed? Those two don't conflict in your brain? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: So your are a selfish prick eh? So could the person you killed in #1... Neal Tendencies of such are evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Rosenberg Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Congrats on getting sucked into the vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: It isn't, but if you feel comfortable believing that nonsense go ahead. Neal To you but then again you are always right. Edited May 1, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I don’t understand...,,am I killing a random person or someone I want to kill. Why would I think my kids were doing bad when they were actually doing good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Tendencies of such are evident. Moral honesty! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: So that kinda makes the decision for #1 question for you, doesn't it? Neal No. It only works if it is hypothetical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Cold War said: I don’t understand...,,am I killing a random person or someone I want to kill. Why would I think my kids were doing bad when they were actually doing good? Does it matter? It's a thought experiment designed to get you to think about what your moral landscape is. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted May 1, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Why? Would it matter if you knew the person you killed? Those two don't conflict in your brain? Neal If I intentionally killed someone I would not do well with it. If I did not mean to kill someone and I did I would be very very bad with it. As for my kids, I would rather they actually do well despite my misgivings, with ones on children its not always about making the self feel better. Are they in conflict? I guess so. Still thats the way Id rather have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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