Snake Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 “Spying on a political campaign is a big deal,” Attorney General William Barr told a Senate committee on Wednesday morning. Barr’s comments came in the context of potential Justice Department reviews of the Trump-Russia investigation and how it began in 2016. While it is important that the top law enforcement in the United States publicly acknowledged that the Obama administration and its intelligence agencies surveilled its domestic political opponents during the heat of a presidential election, it is what he said next that was most startling: that the CIA and other federal agencies in addition to the FBI may have been involved. “I’m not talking about the FBI necessarily, but intelligence agencies more broadly,” he said. The FBI, which has incredibly friendly relations with the media, has taken the brunt of the public outcry against the anti-Trump operation. That project included the use of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants, national security letters, human informants, and strategic leaking to craft a narrative of treasonous collusion with Russia to steal an election from Hillary Clinton. It even included leaks of classified records from former FBI director James Comey, which he said was done for the purpose of launching a special counsel investigation as retaliation for his firing. There have always been indications that the operation went far beyond the FBI, however. For example, former CIA director John Brennan, now an MSNBC contributor, separately briefed Sen. Harry Reid, (D-Nev.) about the operation. Reid understood that move was undertaken so he could publicize the Russia investigation to influence the ongoing presidential election campaign. Former director of national intelligence James Clapper, now a CNN contributor, admitted to discussions with media outlets about the investigation. The U.S. embassy in London was used contrary to established protocol to funnel hearsay that was used as a pretext to officially launch a wide-ranging investigation against the entire Trump orbit. Clinton-connected officials in the State Department were also used to disseminate unverified gossip and allegations about Trump throughout the federal government. The use of covert individuals to surreptitiously obtain information on private American citizens and share it with the government is the most obvious publicly known indication that agencies beyond the FBI may have been intimately involved in the operation. It is clearly possible that every single instance of intelligence collection was done entirely by the FBI without any assistance from any other federal intelligence agency. However, that has not been determined by any investigative body. The use of Stefan Halper, for example, a London-based American academic with longstanding ties to the FBI, CIA, and Defense Department, raises serious questions about whether CIA assets or resources were used against American citizens. Following Nixon-era domestic spying abuses by the U.S. intelligence community, oversight bodies restricted the authority of the CIA to spy on U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Numerous Trump affiliates were lured to meetings overseas that were then used as the basis for domestic intelligence collection. The formal launch of an enterprise investigation against the Trump campaign was opened following a report that George Papadopoulos, a former Trump campaign advisor, had told a foreign diplomat in London about another overseas meeting during which he was told Russians had dirt on Clinton. The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake is representative of the media’s award-winning complicity in furthering a baseless conspiracy theory of Russian collusion and concealing the troubling behavior of their most prized sources: It is discrediting to Blake to cite Clapper, a man who famously lied to Congress about the mass surveillance of American citizens, as a trustworthy source of information on the government’s domestic spying operations. The media’s attempt to claim that the covert surveillance of and collection of information on American citizens tied to the Trump campaign does not constitute “spying” is as absurd today as it was when they first started attempting to claim that a year ago after it was revealed that the FBI had used an overseas intelligence asset in its anti-Trump operation. The Times headline about the use of government agents to secretly gather evidence against the Trump campaign was — hand to God — “F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims.” Did you or Smales even read this? It’s also false to pretend that the surveillance only occurred against Carter Page and only after he left the campaign, referring to the year-long FISA warrant the FBI and DOJ used against the innocent American citizen using discredited Clinton-campaign research as a basis. That’s wrong on multiple counts. According to The New York Times’ government leakers: The F.B.I. investigated four unidentified Trump campaign aides in those early months, congressional investigators revealed in February. The four men were Michael T. Flynn, Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said… The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said. Furthermore, even Page’s FISA surveillance allowed U.S. authorities to surveil not just Page but those he was in contact with, including campaign officials, and to search electronic communications sent and received long before the FISA warrant application was initially approved. The fact of the matter is that federal intelligence agencies spied on a rival political campaign. They illegally leaked information about that surveillance. They abused their authority to at best undermine the duly elected president and at worst to attempt a soft coup against him. They did so with the near-total cooperation of the American media establishment. This is a scandal of epic proportions. It is one that threatens the foundations of constitutional government. It is a direct attack on American democracy. If it is true, as the Washington Post asserts, that democracy dies in darkness, then every single improper deed done under the cloak of secrecy must be fully brought to light. The only way to restore the definitively lost credibility of the FBI and other intelligence agencies is through a thorough investigation of what happened, who was involved, and how they will be held accountable. https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/10/barr-confirms-multiple-intel-agencies-implicated-in-anti-trump-spy-operation/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 12, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2019 Went it was discovered that Dianne Feinstein had a Chinese spy working for her for 20 years they immediately went to her as is protocol. They didn't investigate her. When the DNC supposedly got "hacked" they immediately went to them and warned them. They didn't investigate them to see if that's how they were passing information. With Trump they start an investigation based upon a paid for "dossier" from a former British Intelligence officer who openly hated Trump which just so happened to be paid for by his opponent. Yep nothing nefarious at all going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The current leaders of the left have turned elections into a full blown corrupt system where it is a "do anything to win power" at all costs. Hopefully the criminals involved are prosecuted to the full extent of the law and any one that supports this type of behavior should be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 That fucking retard Slinger will be along any minute to start connecting some dots for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: That fucking retard Slinger will be along any minute to start connecting some dots for us. Why isn’t he complaining about all the cronies Obama put in place in the FBI and DOJ? He’s constantly complaining about Barr, the AG Trump picked. Hmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Edmo said: Why isn’t he complaining about all the cronies Obama put in place in the FBI and DOJ? He’s constantly complaining about Barr, the AG Trump picked. Hmmmm..... Because, he is part of the problem.... it is a "do anything to win power" at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I wonder if the number of agencies implicated is 17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: I wonder if the number of agencies implicated is 17? What is the exact count of “agencies” in this country....does anybody really even know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 They should hire a non partisan special investigator. Bring Mueller back on. It’s the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: They should hire a non partisan special investigator. Bring Mueller back on. It’s the right thing to do. I kinda like this idea. Wonder how impartial he could be seeing how so many of his buddies would be investigated. We should hire Putin to investigate these slimy pieces of shit. That mother fucker would get to the bottom of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: There is a doubt. The American people deserve an answer from a guy with integrity. He proved he has loads of it. The left had doubts about Trump. The right has doubts about the system. We can’t discount that without having th conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 A head rat places his lower rat in charge of overseeing a 2 year head rat investigation. The lower rat says the head rat is not guilty. Ya see how that works. Do you do tards know why a special council was created? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: There is a doubt. The American people deserve an answer from a guy with integrity. He proved he has loads of it. The left had doubts about Trump. The right has doubts about the system. We can’t discount that without having th conversation. Let’s see the results of the Mueller investigation FIRST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Let’s see the results of the Mueller investigation FIRST And we will next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: There is a doubt. The American people deserve an answer from a guy with integrity. He proved he has loads of it. The left had doubts about Trump. The right has doubts about the system. We can’t discount that without having th conversation. barr is a major hack, picked for a reason. he put the word "spying" out there for a reason - to get the simpletons riled up, create another shiny object, and take the attention away from trumpy. as MC just stated, ket's see the mueller report first, before we go chasing ghosts just to eat time up before the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: And we will next week. no, we will not see the mueller report. we will see another barr report. somebody, other than trump's cronies, need to see the FULL report. i'm pretty sure you agreed with that at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Woah....woah! It’s ok. Comey just said electronic surveillance [like used with Trump] isn’t really “spying”. WHEW! Close call there! Where the fuck do these people come from? Obama admin....the most corrupt ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: no, we will not see the mueller report. we will see another barr report. somebody, other than trump's cronies, need to see the FULL report. i'm pretty sure you agreed with that at one time. Stop it. We all know what you all will “see” no matter what gets released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 rwws: spying means illegally watching people, period normal people: spying can mean surveillance that is 100% legal. which, btw, barr stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Stop it. We all know what you all will “see” no matter what gets released. there's only one way to solve this, something you're all against for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: there's only one way to solve this, something you're all against for some reason. Yuh...”against” for legal and Constitutional reasons. But, we know you all aren’t restrained by that pesky shit. Wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: rwws: spying means illegally watching people, period normal people: spying can mean surveillance that is 100% legal. which, btw, barr stated. LOL! I’d say you need to look up the definition but, your liberal dictionary’s word “spying” is being reconfigured right now. Otherwise, your definition as stated is wrong. Scratch the “otherwise” part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: there's only one way to solve this, something you're all against for some reason. Break a bunch of laws and expose on going investigations and Intel sources so you can finally get the opposition research that Hillary paid for back in 2016....yea seems reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Woah....woah! It’s ok. Comey just said electronic surveillance [like used with Trump] isn’t really “spying”. WHEW! Close call there! Where the fuck do these people come from? Obama admin....the most corrupt ever. Comey was a Bush man you fucking idiot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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