AKIQPilot Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, DAVE said: Im really surprised Tom is taking Bens side on this. Dont ever pm me text me or call me again got dammit Tom!!!!!!! So should I expect a Christmas card this year or is that out too........ Hahahahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Beavis and Butt-Head said: just caught up reading all of this clutching shit.. yeah I would say f7ben is right. same helix angle , same weight, etc on 100 HP versus 200 HP machines and it would work just fine. If rpm is much higher on the 200hp sled yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Damn......who should I believe... Tom or Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Sludge has won lots of races in/on both cars and sleds, my bet is he knows clutching, and has the trophys to prove it he is very well regarded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) It sounds to me like the information provided in the OP is spot on. One thing I’d be curious about, that 8 Deg. per second intake charge temp rise, does anyone implement a smidge of meth injection to tame that down? I don’t think you’d have to get fancy with PWM, just a Hobbs switch and the “right” sized nozzle might do the trick? Edited February 20, 2019 by XC.Morrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, f7ben said: Damn......who should I believe... Tom or Dave You didnt even know the easiest things to know about the 1200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Momorider said: Sludge has won lots of races in/on both cars and sleds, my bet is he knows clutching, and has the trophys to prove it he is very well regarded You are very regarded too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Nerd fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Bens still crying on hcs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: It sounds to me like the information provided in the OP is spot on. One thing I’d be curious about, that 8 Deg. per second intake charge temp rise, does anyone implement a smidge of meth injection to tame that down? I don’t think you’d have to get fancy with PWM, just a Hobbs switch and the “right” sized nozzle might do the trick? No...way too complicated when you have a motec. It can pull timing and boost and dump fuel extremely fast when it sees any knock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, f7ben said: No...way too complicated when you have a motec. It can pull timing and boost and dump fuel extremely fast when it sees any knock. Ah, just wondered. Admittedly, I haven’t played with turbo stuff since my DSM days. I miss my Talon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, XC.Morrison said: Ah, just wondered. Admittedly, I haven’t played with turbo stuff since my DSM days. I miss my Talon 4g63 for life yo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I didn’t read but I’m guessing Bhen Toyler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I didn’t read but I’m guessing Bhen Toyler? And Dave and HSR and about 2 dozen retarded assholes on HCS.....of course Derpbroski threw in with the morons and grabbed himself a handful of owned too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I didn’t read but I’m guessing Bhen Toyler? Ben got it bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieJames7 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Momorider said: Sludge has won lots of races in/on both cars and sleds, my bet is he knows clutching, and has the trophys to prove it he is very well regarded Well toyler, now you got momo backing you up. Your credibility just took a massive hit Thanks retard momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, GreatLandEmpire said: Well toyler, now you got momo backing you up. Your credibility just took a massive hit SHIT. Thanks retard momo Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, AKIQPilot said: Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammin Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 hours ago, DAVE said: Bens still crying on hcs! Bens on HCS 2? Didnt think that place was alive yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, jammin said: Bens on HCS 2? Didnt think that place was alive yet. He will go to great lengths to get owned bigly!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, Momorider said: HCS Snowmobile Forums Statistics HCS: Threads: 611,064, Posts: 7,440,902, Members: 132,208 Welcome to our newest member, Beans1989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 hours ago, f7ben said: You got owned on every level stupid motherfucker I j e youd try to name it about race sleds even though I said trail sleds from the start so dumb....so pathetic. You're just like momo No power band? Why not just run them at low rpm and save fuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 BEN IS WRONG! /THREAD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Rod Johnson said: No of course you can drive it. It’ll just be Shitty and way slower than someone who knows what they’re doing no different than taking a clutch off a 600 and putting it on an 800 and saying it’s perfectly fine because it will drive Ben has turned this so that he is making it look like we don't know that a simple CVT clutch will "work" in any design. 10 hours ago, Rod Johnson said: You could admit you are wrong but you won’t If he starts enough threads over two forums tho....and twists it just right.......NEVER WRONG! 9 hours ago, AKIQPilot said: Let me see if I can help you understand what Ben is saying. On a typical mountain sled you want to clutch for the altitude you will be playing at most that day. Say that's 8000' and you clutch it light for 8000' because you have about 20% less HP at 8000' than you do at 1000'. You clutched light and made max power at 8300 RPM. As you get back down from elevation you're making more HP and your clutching is too light allowing the engine to over rev. To compensate you back off the timing and reduce the RPM and HP. Same clutching, reduced RPM, similar or slightly more HP with reduced timing. A centrifugal clutch responds solely to RPM. An engine making 150HP at 8000rpm could surely use the same clutching to a similar motor making 250HP at 9000rpm. This is basic tuning. Is the clutching perfect on both sleds, No but its close enough for the average guy out playing on the lake or on the trails. Perfect clutching is a fairy tale. There are tradeoffs across the entire temperature and altitude range unless you're boosted. Ben is correct about this. It's fairly easy to see for most people. Well, that's what he is saying now. But that's not what started all this. Everyone here knows the simplicity of a CVT clutch. At least I hope they do. 9 hours ago, DAVE said: Im really surprised Tom is taking Bens side on this. Dont ever pm me text me or call me again got dammit Tom!!!!!!! He's taking the side that Ben has turned this into. "Here's how sled clucthing works...WHO DISAGREES!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111" 9 hours ago, Rod Johnson said: I think he feels bad for him lol I do too. This was/is an embarrassing romp in the sled perfomance tuning category for Ben. 8 hours ago, f7ben said: And Dave and HSR and about 2 dozen retarded assholes on HCS.....of course Derpbroski threw in with the morons and grabbed himself a handful of owned too Dude....you've been man-handled there. Here's the bottom line, if you are doing any perfomance tuning on a sled and you think leaving the stock clutches alone is a good idea...you should have your tools AND your sled taken away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Ben has turned this so that he is making it look like we don't know that a simple CVT clutch will "work" in any design. If he starts enough threads over two forums tho....and twists it just right.......NEVER WRONG! Well, that's what he is saying now. But that's not what started all this. Everyone here knows the simplicity of a CVT clutch. At least I hope they do. He's taking the side that Ben has turned this into. "Here's how sled clucthing works...WHO DISAGREES!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111" I do too. This was/is an embarrassing romp in the sled perfomance tuning category for Ben. Dude....you've been man-handled there. Here's the bottom line, if you are doing any perfomance tuning on a sled and you think leaving the stock clutches alone is a good idea...you should have your tools AND your sled taken away. Tyler said no gains with a tune and stock clutching. I disagreed HSR said you could not make the same clutching work at varying power levels I disagreed That is 100% of the argument you brain dead fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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