Rod Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, f7ben said: You cant add any weight at all to the primary.....it pulls timing and boost right away if it doesn't rev There may be some gains in the secondary but it runs so well right now there is no sense in him messing with it Because it a retarded tune for citiots who wear pampers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, f7ben said: Define "over rev" Guys run turbos on the same clutching from 7500rpm to 9k rpm.....there is no such thing as "over rev" until you float the valves or run out of compressor or find some restriction preventing more flow. Obviously clutches start to become inefficient past 9k plus rpms so most stay below that even with HD valve springs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: Because it a retarded tune for citiots who wear pampers No....its a really nice tune that accomplishes the same outcome differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieJames7 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, f7ben said: Yup....they said their tune adds roughly 90hp to the sled and is meant to run on stock clutching. They said anyone disputing that is free to contact them to discuss. They also said Dumb Dave is a fucking moron who doesnt know the first thing about clutching or turbos and that he should kill himself with a plastic fork. Retard overload Jesus fucking Christ be shut the fuck up once in a while. Fs already haha momo as the pet retarded hamster, we don't need another one named ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, GreatLandEmpire said: Retard overload Jesus fucking Christ be shut the fuck up once in a while. Fs already haha momo as the pet retarded hamster, we don't need another one named ben How many dicks did you suck and was your Thai Ladyboy hooker name Felony? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, GreatLandEmpire said: Retard overload Jesus fucking Christ be shut the fuck up once in a while. Fs already haha momo as the pet retarded hamster, we don't need another one named ben Too late. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: How many dicks did you suck and was your Thai Ladyboy hooker name Felony? You and @xtralettucetomatoe580 always coming with the dick/gay stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 hours ago, f7ben said: That's right....if you load that type of tune too hard it will knock bad. I can tell you the z1 with stock clutching and slingshot flash is much faster than it was when setup with the speedwerx clutching a 4 stage tune. some guys run less weight and deff not notched . then you can run much more boost than recommended if you are not stressing the motor off the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Ez ryder said: some guys run less weight and deff not notched . then you can run much more boost than recommended if you are not stressing the motor off the line Engines are much more susceptible to det lower in the rpms closer to torque peak. Limiting boost lower in the rpm range is a good way to keep a motor together when pushing it. They run through the mid range so fucking fast it hardly matters for a trails sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 7 hours ago, f7ben said: Define "over rev" Guys run turbos on the same clutching from 7500rpm to 9k rpm.....there is no such thing as "over rev" until you float the valves or run out of compressor or find some restriction preventing more flow. Obviously clutches start to become inefficient past 9k plus rpms so most stay below that even with HD valve springs You don’t just reclutch to drop RPM. In most cases The overrev is caused by the belt slipping. Adding 90 hp to a sled would require a reclutch to grab the belt. As stock clutching is designed to grab the belt at a stock hp level. So while most tunes get rid of a rev limiter and usually use the increase of RPM to its advantage a reclutch would be required to grab a the belt and get the most out of the tune 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, jtssrx said: You don’t just reclutch to drop RPM. In most cases The overrev is caused by the belt slipping. Adding 90 hp to a sled would require a reclutch to grab the belt. As stock clutching is designed to grab the belt at a stock hp level. So while most tunes get rid of a rev limiter and usually use the increase of RPM to its advantage a reclutch would be required to grab a the belt and get the most out of the tune Not true at all.....the primary is grabbing the belt harder because of the increase in rpm. If you add power at the same rpm then you would need to grab the belt harder. Think of how a clutch weight works dude.....the faster you spin it the harder it squeezes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, f7ben said: Not true at all.....the primary is grabbing the belt harder because of the increase in rpm. If you add power at the same rpm then you would need to grab the belt harder. Think of how a clutch weight works dude.....the faster you spin it the harder it squeezes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Do you need a lesson on centrifugal force Dave? Do you think that the cam is not exerting a higher forced on the roller at 9k rpms than it is at 7k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 If your statement was true the increase of belt squeeze you describe would cause heat in the clutch. both to little and to much belt squeeze will cause heat. The combination of Total force of primary combined with weight in grams plus its profile, roller diameter control belt squeeze and full shift rpm. If the increase if RPM caused more belt squeeze as you suggest you would actually see a decrease in RPM. The increase is cause by the belt slipping because the stock clutching was designed to hold the belt at X rpm at full shift. They can no longer do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, jtssrx said: If your statement was true the increase of belt squeeze you describe would cause heat in the clutch. both to little and to much belt squeeze will cause heat. The combination of Total force of primary combined with weight in grams plus its profile, roller diameter control belt squeeze and full shift rpm. If the increase if RPM caused more belt squeeze as you suggest you would actually see a decrease in RPM. The increase is cause by the belt slipping because the stock clutching was designed to hold the belt at X rpm at full shift. They can no longer do that Good god.....the increase is do to the increase in power overcoming the clutching.... The increased power spins the clutch faster which grips the belt harder. Sweet fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Do you need a lesson on centrifugal force Dave? Do you think that the cam is not exerting a higher forced on the roller at 9k rpms than it is at 7k? Ben im killing myself laughing here...you need to just stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: Ben im killing myself laughing here...you need to just stop. So you disagree that the weight exerts more force on the roller the faster the clutch spins??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: So you disagree that the weight exerts more force on the roller the faster the clutch spins??? Ben ben...we change to aftermarket clutches because stock clutches wont squeeze enough when dealing with big power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: Ben ben...we change to aftermarket clutches because stock clutches wont squeeze enough when dealing with big power. You didnt answer the question .....as expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Rosenberg Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 All of you queers need a belt squeezed around your necks , STFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Is this beatdown gonna go into a 3rd day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Sal Rosenberg said: All of you queers need a belt squeezed around your necks , STFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, DAVE said: Is this beatdown gonna go into a 3rd day Why do you never answer simple questions? Is it because you dont understand simple concepts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: So you disagree that the weight exerts more force on the roller the faster the clutch spins??? Have you noticed dumb Dave hasnt presented any descriptive counter arguments here, like some others have? He just rolls with whatever his buddies do, like always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Why do you never answer simple questions? Is it because you dont understand simple concepts? Now you’re getting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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