jtssrx Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Michigan brothers face $450,000 in fines for tree removal on their property https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/michigan-brothers-face-450000-in-fines-for-tree-removal-on-their-property Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 The country is not free at all. There are literally 1000s of administrative laws on the books and there are 1000s of pigs for every single one of those ready and willing to remove your wealth or freedom. We are a nation of suckers and slaves. Those who make and enforce the laws are not subject to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 What exactly did these guys hurt by cutting down the trees? Granted, we don't know the whole story, but probably nothing. But now some asshole on a town board thinks they should be fined because they didn't ask permission. Some people get into authoritative positions and think they run the show. Where is the common sense of these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, racer254 said: What exactly did these guys hurt by cutting down the trees? Granted, we don't know the whole story, but probably nothing. But now some asshole on a town board thinks they should be fined because they didn't ask permission. Some people get into authoritative positions and think they run the show. Where is the common sense of these people. Haha....priceless.😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, racer254 said: What exactly did these guys hurt by cutting down the trees? Granted, we don't know the whole story, but probably nothing. But now some asshole on a town board thinks they should be fined because they didn't ask permission. Some people get into authoritative positions and think they run the show. Where is the common sense of these people. So Fox news didn't give you the full story. Weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: So Fox news didn't give you the full story. Weird. Hahaha....exactly.😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So Fox news didn't give you the full story. Weird. Do tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 We can't remove live trees within so many feet of any lake, I believe it's 100 feet, dead or dying can be removed however. Also cannot create any non vegetative surface (like a boat launch) which might allow pollutants to flow into the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, XCR1250 said: We can't remove live trees within so many feet of any lake, I believe it's 100 feet, dead or dying can be removed however. Also cannot create any non vegetative surface (like a boat launch) which might allow pollutants to flow into the water. Yep. Laws like these are plentiful and normal. Same at brother's camp. Only cut a certain percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 Want to trim some tree's at the cabin in Wisconsin but can't touch anything without permission from 75' from the NHWM without permission. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Want to trim some tree's at the cabin in Wisconsin but can't touch anything without permission from 75' from the NHWM without permission. Crazy. I guess that's correct, couldn't recall the distance as I haven't lived on a lake for some years now even though there is a 1700 acre lake across the road from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 "I thought this was a free country" Lol. What in the world ever gave you that idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I cant disturb a fucking lilly pad within 100' of the shore at our family lake place.......but the state gladly granted permit for a logging company to clear cut 160 acres right up to the fucking shoreline on the lake. There was so much outrage the residents on the lake sued and the court stopped the logging. Eventually the state compromised and the logger had to leave several trees at the shoreline. It still totally changed the lake and destroyed a beautiful view. Government is basically nothing more than a means of legal extortion and faggot ass pieces of shit that join law enforcement agencies or the military are just their jack booted thugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, f7ben said: I cant disturb a fucking lilly pad within 100' of the shore at our family lake place.......but the state gladly granted permit for a logging company to clear cut 160 acres right up to the fucking shoreline on the lake. There was so much outrage the residents on the lake sued and the court stopped the logging. Eventually the state compromised and the logger had to leave several trees at the shoreline. It still totally changed the lake and destroyed a beautiful view. Government is basically nothing more than a means of legal extortion and faggot ass pieces of shit that join law enforcement agencies or the military are just their jack booted thugs. I was informed we can remove them manually just need a permit to treat them chemically. I can respect that. These appear to work pretty good. Gonna give them a shot next summer. Edited October 24, 2018 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: I was informed we can remove them manually just need a permit to treat them chemically. I can respect that. I just think there are far too many laws , rules , regulations etc etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: I just think there are far too many laws , rules , regulations etc etc etc. Oh I won't argue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Yeah...read this the other day. Government overreach with the full intent of money grabbing by absurd permits, taxes or fines. Period. Fuck around and disturb some swampy mudland here in Minnesota that is growing cattails in it.....they be coming for yer czeckbuuk!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: Oh I won't argue with that. I listened to a TED talk about the current state of our governance and the amount of laws that are on the books. It was simply mind blowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Yeah...read this the other day. Government overreach with the full intent of money grabbing by absurd permits, taxes or fines. Period. Fuck around and disturb some swampy mudland here in Minnesota that is growing cattails in it.....they be coming for yer czeckbuuk!! Damn govt loves their cattails! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: I listened to a TED talk about the current state of our governance and the amount of laws that are on the books. It was simply mind blowing. Yep the more laws the larger the govt. The larger the govt the more money they need. The more money they get the more things they do to protect and preserve that power. I think you know where I'm going with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Damn govt loves their cattails! Yuh. It’s insane here. Like that last parcel I tried to buy and had some retard come out and show me why I couldn’t cover up the puddles for the sake of the endangered parasitic amoeba marsh dwelling snipe because they were part of the food chain. Smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yep the more laws the larger the govt. The larger the govt the more money they need. The more money they get the more things they do to protect and preserve that power. I think you know where I'm going with this. I think there are functions of government that are positive. Collectively benefiting society. Health Care could be one of those. Telling someone what time of the day they can water their grass or take a shit is not one of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 24, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: I think there are functions of government that are positive. Collectively benefiting society. Health Care could be one of those. Telling someone what time of the day they can water their grass or take a shit is not one of those Its not that there couldn't be some benefit for some people. Its the size and power the govt becomes when we turn that over and the potential consequences of that sacrifice. Without a doubt the left would go after every single gun owner that ever walked into a mental health physician's office. There are many things with govt that the same can be said. Our communications systems for example. Having them involved can be beneficial but is it worth what they have access to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: I think there are functions of government that are positive. Collectively benefiting society. Health Care could be one of those. Telling someone what time of the day they can water their grass or take a shit is not one of those Building this house was an amazing feat of trying to negotiate my way out of fines and penalties, reducing additional permit costs and just overall fuckery this area tried to shove on me the whole time. I understand now why there are so many “tax forfeited” lands for sale. They want their taxes for the land....but won’t let you do anything with it?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Its not that there couldn't be some benefit for some people. Its the size and power the govt becomes when we turn that over and the potential consequences of that sacrifice. Without a doubt the left would go after every single gun owner that ever walked into a mental health physician's office. There are many things with govt that the same can be said. Our communications systems for example. Having them involved can be beneficial but is it worth what they have access to? This boils down to decentralization of power......state and local needs to wield the majority of the power in this country. The Fed needs to be whacked about 90% 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Building this house was an amazing feat of trying to negotiate my way out of fines and penalties, reducing additional permit costs and just overall fuckery this area tried to shove on me the whole time. I understand now why there are so many “tax forfeited” lands for sale. They want their taxes for the land....but won’t let you do anything with it?!?!?! Yup.....its fucking insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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