NaturallyAspirated Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, BOHICA said: Where is the long term storage of carbon happen???? In the grainery or elevator? There isn't long term storage. Again that's a basic concept you seem to not comprehend. The simple act of farming captures huge amounts of CO2, as compared to the inputs. How the CO2 is hadled after that is a complex, yet it seems clear to be a net release of CO2. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 24, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: There isn't long term storage. Again that's a basic concept you seem to not comprehend. The simple act of farming captures huge amounts of CO2, as compared to the inputs. How the CO2 is hadled after that is a complex, yet it seems clear to be a net release of CO2. Neal The forest that was cut down to clear your farm land captured and retained huge amounts of carbon. meanwhile your soybeans that are grow require burning petroleum to plant, maintaining, harvest, to ship to port, and then put aboard a large black smoking belching ships to move across them thousands of miles across the ocean, then processed using huge amounts of energy to feed to animals that fart and belch huge amounts of global warming gases. meanwhile an acre of trees that once covered your land locked away huge amounts of carbon. You are a hypocrite of Al Gore magnitude because what you do is equivalent to deforesting the Amazon rain forest for agricultural purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, BOHICA said: The forest that was cut down to clear your farm land captured and retained huge amounts of carbon. meanwhile your soybeans that are grow require burning petroleum to plant, maintaining, harvest, to ship to port, and then put aboard a large black smoking belching ships to move across them thousands of miles across the ocean, then processed using huge amounts of energy to feed to animals that fart and belch huge amounts of global warming gases. meanwhile an acre of trees that once covered your land locked away huge amounts of carbon. You are a hypocrite of Al Gore magnitude because what you do is equivalent to deforesting the Amazon rain forest for agricultural purposes Incorrect. Shipping and processing is not the responsibility of the farmer. You well know that. Incorrect again. You are an ignorant blowhard making incorrect assumptions, unrealistic scenarios, and laugable logic. Meh. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, BOHICA said: The forest that was cut down to clear your farm land captured and retained huge amounts of carbon. meanwhile your soybeans that are grow require burning petroleum to plant, maintaining, harvest, to ship to port, and then put aboard a large black smoking belching ships to move across them thousands of miles across the ocean, then processed using huge amounts of energy to feed to animals that fart and belch huge amounts of global warming gases. meanwhile an acre of trees that once covered your land locked away huge amounts of carbon. You are a hypocrite of Al Gore magnitude because what you do is equivalent to deforesting the Amazon rain forest for agricultural purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Ohh, now you are catching on! Almost there! Neal I knew you cared!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, DAVE said: I knew you cared!!!! Now you are getting colder. Come on man, turn it around! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 No thats you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, DAVE said: No thats you. Aww, falling off the earth now, such a shame. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Aww, falling off the earth now, such a shame. Neal Let me know when you get back. K By Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 24, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Incorrect. Shipping and processing is not the responsibility of the farmer. You well know that. Incorrect again. You are an ignorant blowhard making incorrect assumptions, unrealistic scenarios, and laugable logic. Meh. Neal Yes they are. With out the shipping and processing your farm land would be covered in long term carbon sequestering trees and wouldn’t be deforested by your ancestors all the while polluting the planet with fertilizers, weed killers and carbon belching farm machinery. there would be natural habitat, large dense carbon sequestering forest, marsh lands, and a stable enviroment with out your taping of the land for profit. There wouldn’t even be pheasants there for you to profit off on your property as they aren’t natural in the forest that once grew on your farm land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I just want to remind everyone weather and climate are two different things. For every look how cold day you could point to a warm day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Yes they are. With out the shipping and processing your farm land would be covered in long term carbon sequestering trees and wouldn’t be deforested by your ancestors all the while polluting the planet with fertilizers, weed killers and carbon belching farm machinery. there would be natural habitat, large dense carbon sequestering forest, marsh lands, and a stable enviroment with out your taping of the land for profit. There wouldn’t even be pheasants there for you to profit off on your property as they aren’t natural in the forest that once grew on your farm land. What about where there werent any trees? Like the prairies for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 25, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, DAVE said: What about where there werent any trees? Like the prairies for example. Where kneel farms it was all trees in the time of Lewis and Clark. The bread basket of the US was forest that was cleared by the original farmers. Where there was trees. It was buffalo, wolves, grizzly bears, and prairie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Where kneel farms it was all trees in the time of Lewis and Clark. The bread basket of the US was forest that was cleared by the original farmers. Where there was trees. It was buffalo, wolves, grizzly bears, and prairie. But youre saying where rod lives is like that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Yes they are. With out the shipping and processing your farm land would be covered in long term carbon sequestering trees and wouldn’t be deforested by your ancestors all the while polluting the planet with fertilizers, weed killers and carbon belching farm machinery. there would be natural habitat, large dense carbon sequestering forest, marsh lands, and a stable enviroment with out your taping of the land for profit. There wouldn’t even be pheasants there for you to profit off on your property as they aren’t natural in the forest that once grew on your farm land. Incorrect again. That isn't the case for me. I am located in a low tree density, natural plains/glacial lakes area. Currently those exist irrespective of farming, and farming only increases the annual CO2 sequestration of the area. Phesants are not native, but neither are forests of trees as you describe. That simple fact makes you completely wrong. @Rod Johnson is right you are out of your element and understanding here. Neal Edited September 25, 2018 by NaturallyAspirated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 25, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, DAVE said: But youre saying where rod lives is like that as well. Where does he live??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, BOHICA said: Where does he live??? Manitoba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Where kneel farms it was all trees in the time of Lewis and Clark. The bread basket of the US was forest that was cleared by the original farmers. Where there was trees. It was buffalo, wolves, grizzly bears, and prairie. Ahh no, the area I am at was grassland plains you goof. WTF Holy shit... Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Ahh no, the area I am at was grassland plains you goof. WTF Holy shit... Neal Wasnt going to argue with him...but I thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 hours ago, BOHICA said: The forest that was cut down to clear your farm land captured and retained huge amounts of carbon. meanwhile your soybeans that are grow require burning petroleum to plant, maintaining, harvest, to ship to port, and then put aboard a large black smoking belching ships to move across them thousands of miles across the ocean, then processed using huge amounts of energy to feed to animals that fart and belch huge amounts of global warming gases. meanwhile an acre of trees that once covered your land locked away huge amounts of carbon. You are a hypocrite of Al Gore magnitude because what you do is equivalent to deforesting the Amazon rain forest for agricultural purposes Trees still store the carbon after they’re cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, DAVE said: What about where there werent any trees? Like the prairies for example. Back before farming there were hundred thousand acre grass and forest fires all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Back before farming there were hundred thousand acre grass and forest fires all the time Was that before Santa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 25, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Ahh no, the area I am at was grassland plains you goof. WTF Holy shit... Neal No marsh lands, river forests, and such??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 25, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Trees still store the carbon after they’re cut Yep. http://www.arborenvironmentalalliance.com/carbon-tree-facts.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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