Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Most real sources have it closer to 1 million dead. 100k lmfao.....you would believe that Most real sources. Fuck you guys are gullible. Fuck guys use some common sense. Japan lost a total of around 2.5-3.1 million including civilian deaths in WW2. Think about that for a second before you believe these claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Scientific surveys: Source Estimated violent deaths Time period Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006 Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006 PLOS Medicine Survey[2] 460,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war including more than 60% of deaths directly attributable to violence. March 2003 to June 2011 Body counts: Source Documented deaths from violence Time period Associated Press 110,600 violent deaths.[3][4] March 2003 to April 2009 Iraq Body Count project 112,667–123,284 civilian deaths from violence.[5][6][7][8] March 2003 to March 2013 Classified Iraq War Logs[5][9][10][11] 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths.[12][13] January 2004 to December 2009 Overview: Iraqi death estimates by source Summary of casualties of the Iraq War. Possible estimates on the number of people killed in the invasion and occupation of Iraq vary widely,[14] and are highly disputed. Estimates of casualties below include both the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the following Post-invasion Iraq, 2003–present. Iraq war logs Classified US military documents released by WikiLeaks in October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009.[5][9][10][11][15][15][16] The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths).[13][17] Iraqi Health Ministry The Health Ministry of the Iraqi government recorded 87,215 Iraqi violent deaths between January 1, 2005, and February 28, 2009. The data was in the form of a list of yearly totals for death certificates issued for violent deaths by hospitals and morgues. The official who provided the data told the Associated Press said the ministry does not have figures for the first two years of the war, and estimated the actual number of deaths at 10 to 20 percent higher because of thousands who are still missing and civilians who were buried in the chaos of war without official records.[3][4] The Associated Press Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009. This number is per the Health Ministry tally of 87,215 covering January 1, 2005, to February 28, 2009 combined with counts of casualties for 2003–2004, and after February 29, 2009, from hospital sources and media reports.[3][4] For more info see farther down at The Associated Press and Health Ministry (2009). Iraq Body Count The Iraq Body Count project (IBC) figure of Documented civilian deaths from violence is 173,686 – 193,965 as of April 2017. This includes reported civilian deaths due to Coalition and insurgent military action, sectarian violence and increased criminal violence.[18] The IBC site states: "it should be noted that many deaths will probably go unreported or unrecorded by officials and media."[19] The IBC website currently states that, "Further analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs may add 12,000 civilian deaths." Iraq Family Health Survey Iraq Family Health Survey for the World Health Organization.[20][21] On January 9, 2008, the World Health Organization reported the results of the "Iraq Family Health Survey" published in The New England Journal of Medicine.[22] The study surveyed 9,345 households across Iraq and estimated 151,000 deaths due to violence (95% uncertainty range, 104,000 to 223,000) from March 2003 through June 2006. Employees of the Iraqi Health Ministry carried out the survey.[23][24][25] See also farther down: Iraq Family Health Survey. Opinion Research Business Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths. A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members. ORB reported that "48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance."[26][27][28][29][30] United Nations The United Nations reported that 34,452 violent deaths occurred in 2006, based on data from morgues, hospitals, and municipal authorities across Iraq.[31] Lancet studies The Lancet study's figure of 654,965 excess deaths through the end of June 2006 is based on household survey data. The estimate is for all excess violent and nonviolent deaths. That also includes those due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poorer healthcare, etc. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were estimated to be due to violence. 31% of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% to others, 46% unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56%), car bomb (13%), other explosion/ordnance (14%), airstrike (13%), accident(2%), unknown (2%). A copy of a death certificate was available for a high proportion of the reported deaths (92% of those households asked to produce one).[32][33][34] PLOS Medicine Study The PLOS Medicine study's figure of approximately 460,000 excess deaths through the end of June 2011 is based on household survey data including more than 60% of deaths directly attributable to violence. The estimate is for all excess violent and nonviolent deaths. That also includes those due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poorer healthcare, etc. 405,000 deaths (range of 48,000 to 751,000 using a 95% confidence interval) were estimated as excess deaths attributable to the conflict. They estimated at least 55,000 additional deaths occurred that the survey missed, as the families had migrated out of Iraq. The survey found that more than 60% of excess deaths were caused by violence, with the rest caused indirectly by the war, through degradation of infrastructure and similar causes. The survey notes that although car bombs received more significant press internationally, gunshot wounds were responsible for the majority (63%) of violent deaths. The study also estimated that 35% of violent deaths were attributed to the Coalition, and 32% to militias. Cardiovascular conditions accounted for about half (47%) of nonviolent deaths, chronic illnesses 11%, infant or childhood deaths other than injuries 12.4%, non-war injuries 11%, and cancer 8%.[2] Ali al-Shemari (previous Iraqi Health Minister) Concerning war-related deaths (civilian and non-civilian), and deaths from criminal gangs, Iraq's Health Minister Ali al-Shemari said that since the March 2003 invasion between 100,000 and 150,000Iraqis had been killed.[35] "Al-Shemari said on Thursday [November 9, 2006] that he based his figure on an estimate of 100 bodies per day brought to morgues and hospitals – though such a calculation would come out closer to 130,000 in total."[36] For more info see farther down at Iraq Health Minister estimate in November 2006. Costs of War Project 176,000–189,000 people were killed in violence in the Iraq war, including 134,000 civilians (using Iraq Body Count's figures), according to the findings of the Costs of War Project, a team of 30 economists, anthropologists, political scientists, legal experts, and physicians assembled by Brown University and the Watson Institute to study the effects of wars involving the United States since 2001. The project also examined the economic costs of the Iraq war, as well as the human and economic cost of war in Afghanistan and Pakistan.[37][38][39] Edited September 11, 2018 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Hit half million in 2013 https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013 Closing in on a million for sure by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: Hit half million in 2013 https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013 Closing in on a million for sure by now Those are based off surveys or polls. My god you guys are gullible. Again Japan lost around 2.5 to 3. Think about those battles, the fire bombings, the atomic bombs. unthinkable destruction and killing Island by Island. Just not buying 182 people on ave died each and every day for the last 15 years in Iraq. Not even close. 15 yrs x 365 days 5475 1,000,000/5475 = 182.65 Edited September 11, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Half million / million bah. Almost 3,000 were killed in 9/11!!!!111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 Yet about 18,000 Americans die each yr from the common flu. Wheres the outrage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: Yet about 18,000 Americans die each yr from the common flu. Wheres the outrage? More americans are killed by Chicagoans every year than muslims worldwide!!!1111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Nazipigdog said: More americans are killed by Chicagoans every year than muslims worldwide!!!1111 That's called ethnic cleansing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Highmark thinks we only kill a person 1 out of 3 times with a fucking bomb dropped from a plane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: Highmark thinks we only kill a person 1 out of 3 times with a fucking bomb dropped from a plane He is the quintessential neocon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 We only caused a couple hundred thousand deaths. That makes it justified and moral.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: We only caused a couple hundred thousand deaths. That makes it justified and moral.... No surprise nobody cares about the loss of innocent life, they are muslims you know. Hell bent on our destruction. (even tho we have been doing most of the destroying).. But I am surprised as hell that not one "conservative" seems to care about the $6 trillion we have spent fighting in all of these countries that have not attacked us and pose zero threat to us. Kill 2 million people with bombs? FUCK YEAH! Universal health care for Americans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 I get that Ztard is just a moron but Highmark is a real POS....wtf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I get that Ztard is just a moron but Highmark is a real POS....wtf. IT WAS ONLY 200K PEOPLE ...WGAF LIBERALS WANNA MAKE IT MORE SO THEY CAN CLAIM WAR IS BAD DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP fucking retard faggot ass morons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nazipigdog said: Why do we have so much time and money for everyone else problems but not our own? Trump spent some time in Pennsylvania today. Edited September 11, 2018 by Mileage Psycho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Trump spent some time in Pennsylvania today. #winning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Time to shut this thread down. 'Merica haters had an ass handing and are now triggered. It's over. Everybody go to time out for a while. a GAgillIONYn people dies cuz of Merica!!!11111111111111111ALKD;ASDKLGA;SLDKGNA;SDFGLKANSDFGA DFG;KWJERBG;WLHGABS;DKJFABSK/FJANDSF VASDV.AKJFDGB;ASKDFGUJA'SD/GKNAS'DGALS/KDGNA'DSGLK/ANSD'GAL/KSDNGA'/LDSKGNASDG/KLNADSGA SDA DA SDGA SDGLKANSDG'ALKSDNG'ALDSKGNA'SDGLKNASG' AS DGA DGKALSNDGA'LSDKNGA'DLKGNASDGL'KANSDG'ALSKDNGA'SDGKLANSD'GKLANSDGA'SLDKGNA'SDLKGANSD'LGKANSDK/LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Broski, you couldnt shut down an abandoned porta john... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Just now, Nazipigdog said: Broski, you couldnt shut down an abandoned porta john... Nailed it like Nance Gregs!!!@@1111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Now you can shut it down, OT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Trump spent some time in Pennsylvania today. Yeah...I saw that on CNN too, Vince. Look, this wasn't on CNN but Your idiot king and his husband were celebrating the 911 attacks also: 1 minute ago, Nazipigdog said: Broski, you couldnt shut down an abandoned porta john... Clearly, you've never seen me after a Taco Bell binge. Just now, f7ben said: Nailed it like Nance Gregs!!!@@1111 Ewwww.....use some listerine before you go home. Ick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 Blow jobs, toolkit, triggered....this fucking Ztard dolt gets more idiotic by the hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 11, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) So facts somehow that makes me a pos neocon. For years I've wanted us out of everywhere and yes Iraq and Afg contributed to that change in my views. It sucks we had to go into Afg and Iraq was a cluster fuck of epec proportions but lies and exaggerations should not accompany that history. Edited September 11, 2018 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: So facts somehow that makes me a pos neocon. For years I've wanted us out of everywhere and yes Iraq and Afg contributed to that change in my views. It sucks we had to go into Afg and Iraq was a cluster fuck of epec proportions but lies and exaggerations should not accompany that history. Lies and exaggerations are the propaganda minimalizing our impact in the region. You're choking it down like mothers milk and its obvious why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 11, 2018 Author Share Posted September 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: So facts somehow that makes me a pos neocon. For years I've wanted us out of everywhere and yes Iraq and Afg contributed to that change in my views. It sucks we had to go into Afg and Iraq was a cluster fuck of epec proportions but lies and exaggerations should not accompany that history. Glad you're here to keep the record straight regarding how many innocent people US foreign policy has killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Glad you're here to keep the record straight regarding how many innocent people US foreign policy has killed. Me too. "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty". Someone has to keep the record straight. @Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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