Mainecat Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: A union isn't the gvmt. If UPS wants to negotiate with a union that is their business. Just as if construction co's want to negotiate with unions that is also their business. Warren is not saying every business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, Mainecat said: Warren is not saying every business. No she isn't. She is saying every business with over 1 bill in revenue. Even if they are not turning a profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: ITs not the gvmts job to tell corperations how to run themselves. Are you naïve enough to believe that corporations are currently subject to no laws or are you conceding that they are, but in your perfect world they would not be constrained by any laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, XC.Morrison said: Are you naïve enough to believe that corporations are currently subject to no laws or are you conceding that they are, but in your perfect world they would not be constrained by any laws? Im thinking there are enough laws telling folks how to run their companies. We don't need someone new coming along adding more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: No she isn't. She is saying every business with over 1 bill in revenue. Even if they are not turning a profit. Firms with less than 20 workers made up 89.4 percent of businesses. there are 225 companies in the us that do more than a billion a year. like I said Warren is talking about 11% of US companies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: Im thinking there are enough laws telling folks how to run their companies. We don't need someone new coming along adding more. Like taffifs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 ANd she should be talking about 0 %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, Mainecat said: Like taffifs? Speaking of tariffs I noticed you ignored my question in the other thread, hum , wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, steve from amherst said: Im thinking there are enough laws telling folks how to run their companies. We don't need someone new coming along adding more. What if it could be better for everyone though? If the only argument is "that's how we've always done it" or "I'm ideologically opposed to it, even if alternatives offer better outcomes" then I think there are some reforms like Liz is talking about that are worth talking about. Everybody wants to say the Dems have nothing to offer and no ideas. So she offers an idea that seems based on successful measures Germany has implemented and is popular among German workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 The US government jumping in to large business private sector and constricting, controlling and redistributing ownership and “say so” to the workers as they see fit. What could go wrong? I mean after he markets crash of course. But after that...should be good to go!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: What if it could be better for everyone though? If the only argument is "that's how we've always done it" or "I'm ideologically opposed to it, even if alternatives offer better outcomes" then I think there are some reforms like Liz is talking about that are worth talking about. Everybody wants to say the Dems have nothing to offer and no ideas. So she offers an idea that seems based on successful measures Germany has implemented and is popular among German workers. Corperations don't exist to be better for everybody. They exist to make their shareholders money. If the employees want their corperation run like that they are free to start their own and run it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: The US government jumping in to large business private sector and constricting, controlling and redistributing ownership and “say so” to the workers as they see fit. What could go wrong? I mean after he markets crash of course. But after that...should be good to go!!! I mean it's not like our car companies have ever needed bailing out in the past, right? It's not like our stock market has never crashed. It's not like our "big banks" ever fail. It's not like our companies aren't already keeping their employees best interests in mind. It's not like we ever really needed OSHA, cause companies already cared about safety. I could go on, but I'm sure I've annoyed you enough by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 It won’t work. Anyone care to guess why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Corperations don't exist to be better for everybody. They exist to make their shareholders money. If the employees want their corperation run like that they are free to start their own and run it that way. That's just a statement of how we currently do things, not a solid argument against a new idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 All this idiot is doing is planting doubt in big Corp’s minds about moving businesses back...and keeping their Obama era plans to move overseas in the file. But, “Fur das Volk!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XC.Morrison Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: It won’t work. Anyone care to guess why? Ooh, ooh, I know why!!!! Cause republicans will find a way to sabotage it like they do to every democrat idea. Can't let them be perceived as winning can we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: I mean it's not like our car companies have ever needed bailing out in the past, right? It's not like our stock market has never crashed. It's not like our "big banks" ever fail. It's not like our companies aren't already keeping their employees best interests in mind. It's not like we ever really needed OSHA, cause companies already cared about safety. I could go on, but I'm sure I've annoyed you enough by now. You haven’t annoyed me. You are just trying to correlate a “same”. It’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said: That's just a statement of how we currently do things, not a solid argument against a new idea. Someone who has no interest in a company telling them how to run said company isn't a new idea , just a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, XC.Morrison said: Ooh, ooh, I know why!!!! Cause republicans will find a way to sabotage it like they do to every democrat idea. Can't let them be perceived as winning can we. Because the people doing the governing, like warren, are a lot dumber than the corps they’re trying to govern. Large corps will find a way around government intervention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, XC.Morrison said: Ooh, ooh, I know why!!!! Cause republicans will find a way to sabotage it like they do to every democrat idea. Can't let them be perceived as winning can we. Well, let’s look at the Dem ideas that the Obama admin threw up that worked out well for the US You can go first. I’m drawing a blank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted August 16, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 There is an actual native American running against granny warren. The other day a plabe flew over the harbor trailing a campaign sign that sign you could vote fpr a real indian or a fake indian! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Because the people doing the governing, like warren, are a lot dumber than the corps they’re trying to govern. Large corps will find a way around government intervention. Not if the government has the power via charter. Its a really, REALLY BAD idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, Kivalo said: There is an actual native American running against granny warren. The other day a plabe flew over the harbor trailing a campaign sign that sign you could vote fpr a real indian or a fake indian! EXCELLENT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted August 16, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zambroski said: The US government jumping in to large business private sector and constricting, controlling and redistributing ownership and “say so” to the workers as they see fit. What could go wrong? I mean after he markets crash of course. But after that...should be good to go!!! Foxconn..... Edited August 16, 2018 by SnowRider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Foxconn..... No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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