Hypocrites. Yeah you!

[Anler]

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Silence on US Meddling Abroad

written by jacob g. hornberger

monday august 6, 2018

Among the most fascinating aspects of the brouhaha over supposed Russian meddling in America’s electoral system is the total silence in the US mainstream press about US meddling in the political affairs of other countries.

Consider the mass outrage and indignation among the mainstream press that Russia would actually want to help a US presidential candidate who favors normalizing relations with Russia over a candidate that was determined to do the opposite.

Why not the same outrage against the US national-security establishment for helping its favorite people come to office in foreign countries?

By their silence regarding US meddling in foreign countries, one could easily draw the conclusion that the US mainstream press is saying the following: It’s wrong for Russia to meddle in the US electoral system but it’s okay for the US national-security establishment (i.e., the military, CIA, and NSA) to meddle in the electoral affairs of foreign countries.

But if that’s their position — and it certainly seems like that is their position based on their silence — then why don’t they explain it? Why is it considered okay for the US national-security establishment to meddle but not okay for the Russian national-security establishment to meddle?

Or to put it another way, if it’s wrong in principle to meddle, then why is the US government doing it, and why isn’t the US mainstream press condemning both US meddling and Russia meddling?

After all, even if Russian officials actually did do what they are accused of doing, it actually pales in comparison to what US officials do when they meddle in foreign countries. After all, what’s a few Facebook ads and hacking into email accounts compared to murder, kidnapping, bribery, sanctions, embargoes, and coups?

In the 1970s, the US government meddled in the Chilean presidential election, with bribery, kidnapping, murder, and a coup. Trying to prevent the democratically elected president, Salvador Allende, from taking office, the CIA attempted to bribe Chilean congressmen from confirming Allende as president.

But that was nothing compared to what happened after that. The CIA conspired to kidnap the commanding general of the Chilean armed forces. The reason? Gen. Rene Schneider refused to go along with the military coup that US officials were demanding. Schneider was actually shot dead during the kidnapping attempt.

How’s that compared to some Facebook ads and email hacking?

Whether you call the kidnapping/murder of Rene Schneider “collusion” or “conspiracy,” there is no doubt that the plot originated in Washington and Virginia. There is no statue of limitations when it comes to felony-murder and conspiracy to commit felony-murder. Why not call for an official investigation to determine whether anyone involved in that collusion/conspiracy is still alive and should be brought to justice? Why the silence on the Schneider kidnapping/murder?

Once US national-security state officials removed Schneider as an obstacle, that paved the way for the US military coup, which brought US-favored Gen. Augusto Pinochet to power, along with the rapes, torture, abuse, incarceration, disappearances, or executions of tens of thousands of innocent people, including two Americans, Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi. Why not criminally prosecute anyone who is still alive and who was involved in the collusion/conspiracy?

For that matter, let’s not forget the US national-security establishment’s intentional destruction of the democratic systems in Guatemala and Iran in the 1950s.

For those who say that all that is ancient history, how about the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, the one based on bogus fears of WMDs by US officials? Or the US regime-change operations in Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, which have left countless dead and the entire countries devastated? It’s hard to get better examples of meddling in the political affairs of other countries than those. Or how about the US national-security establishment’s anti-democratic coup in Ukraine, which, along with NATO expansion into Eastern Europe, is the root of the Ukraine-Russia-US crisis? Why aren’t those US meddlers being charged with criminal meddling and conspiracy to criminally meddle?

For that matter, how about the decades-old US embargo against Cuba, whose aim has always been regime change. The same, of course, applies to the US. sanctions against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and, of course, Russia. Why not investigate and prosecute those meddlers?

The US media helps to remind us of an old principle: When one points his finger at someone in an accusatory way, oftentimes there are three fingers pointing back at the accuser and his silence.

Reprinted with permission from Future of Freedom Foundation.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Nazipigdog

[steve from amherst]

Political scientist Dov Levin of Pittsburgh’s Carnegie Mellon University says the US has attempted to influence elections overseas as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000.

[Anler]

1 minute ago, steve from amherst said:

Political scientist Dov Levin of Pittsburgh’s Carnegie Mellon University says the US has attempted to influence elections overseas as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000.

Even is um maybe, russia? 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Haha...this will be given a good leaving alone by The Toby Keith Boot In Your Ass Love It Or Leave crowd here.

[Anler]

46 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Haha...this will be given a good leaving alone by The Toby Keith Boot In Your Ass Love It Or Leave crowd here.

Muslims! Dictators(not dick tasters like momo)! Communism! Socialism! Terrorists! 

[Snake]

52 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Haha...this will be given a good leaving alone by The Toby Keith Boot In Your Ass Love It Or Leave crowd here.

[Highmark]

https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-elections-2012/

Press Release (English)

16 February, 2017

CIA espionage orders for the last French presidential election

All major French political parties were targeted for infiltration by the CIA's human ("HUMINT") and electronic ("SIGINT") spies in the seven months leading up to France's 2012 presidential election. The revelations are contained within three CIA tasking orders published today by WikiLeaks as context for its forth coming CIA Vault 7 series. Named specifically as targets are the French Socialist Party (PS), the National Front (FN) and Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) together with current President Francois Hollande, then President Nicolas Sarkozy, current round one presidential front runner Marine Le Pen, and former presidential candidates Martine Aubry and Dominique Strauss-Khan.

The CIA assessed that President Sarkozy's party was not assured re-election. Specific tasking concerning his party included obtaining the "Strategic Election Plans" of the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP); schisms or alliances developing in the UMP elite; private UMP reactions to Sarkozy's campaign stratagies; discussions within the UMP on any "perceived vulnerabilities to maintaining power" after the election; efforts to change the party's ideological mission; and discussions about Sarkozy's support for the UMP and "the value he places on the continuation of the party's dominance". Specific instructions tasked CIA officers to discover Sarkozy's private deliberations "on the other candidates" as well as how he interacted with his advisors. Sarkozy's earlier self-identification as "Sarkozy the American" did not protect him from US espionage in the 2012 election or during his presidency.

The espionage order for "Non Ruling Political Parties and Candidates Strategic Election Plans" which targeted Francois Holland, Marine Le Pen and other opposition figures requires obtaining opposition parties' strategies for the election; information on internal party dynamics and rising leaders; efforts to influence and implement political decisions; support from local government officials, government elites or business elites; views of the United States; efforts to reach out to other countries, including Germany, U.K., Libya, Israel, Palestine, Syria & Cote d'Ivoire; as well as information about party and candidate funding.

Significantly, two CIA opposition espionage tasks, "What policies do they promote to help boost France's economic growth prospects?" and "What are their opinions on the German model of export-led growth?" resonate with a U.S. economic espionage order from the same year. That order requires obtaining details of every prospective French export contract or deal valued at $200m or more.

The opposition espionage order also places weight on obtaining the candidates' attitudes to the E.U's economic crisis, centering around their position on the Greek debt crisis; the role of France and Germany in the management of the Greek debt crisis; the vulnerability of French government and French banks to a Greek default; and "specific proposals and recommendations" to deal with "the euro-zone crisis".

The CIA espionage orders published today are classified and restricted to U.S. eyes only ("NOFORN") due to "Friends-on-Friends sensitivities". The orders state that the collected information is to "support" the activities of the CIA, the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA)'s E.U section, and the U.S. State Department's Intelligence and Research Branch.

The CIA operation ran for ten months from 21 Nov 2011 to 29 Sep 2012, crossing the April-May 2012 French presidential election and several months into the formation of the new government.

[Highmark]

Allies.    

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

[steve from amherst]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

Allies.    

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

well that's special.

[Anler]

6 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Allies.    

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

Money well spent! 

[Anler]

6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

well that's special.

Netayahoo is the biggest threat to peace in the world.

[Highmark]

2 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

Money well spent! 

For him to just come back and be the PM?  

[Zambroski]

33 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

Money well spent! 

Love your title here BTW.

[Carlos Danger]

Try and get a copy of the book "the Phoenix Project" to get an idea of what lengths we have gone to in order to install the leadership "We" deam appropriate for a country.

[mtnloverxtreme2]

the hypocrisy is deafening on this. FFS yanks have been meddling forever in others affairs. 

[Zambroski]

4 minutes ago, mtnloverxtreme2 said:

the hypocrisy is deafening on this. FFS yanks have been meddling forever in others affairs. 

Shit!  We've pioneered most of it!!!!!  But...HOW DARE THEY BUY FACEBOOK ADS!!!!!!!!  Fuck!  We've been doing it wrong.  We spend billions and kill thousands to "meddle".  Turns out, a few grand in idiotic facebook click-bait ads is all it takes to sway an election.  Sweet fuck we're stupid!

 

[Shifty]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Haha...this will be given a good leaving alone by The Toby Keith Boot In Your Ass Love It Or Leave crowd here.

Actually. They're not the ones with their panties in a sand encrusted wad about the Russia thing. 

[Zambroski]

Just now, Shifty said:

Actually. They're not the ones with their panties in a sand encrusted wad about the Russia thing. 

Leave him alone, he's apparently struggling with some stuff right now.  I think Slinger sent him a hot dish of some sort.

 

[Snake]

9 minutes ago, Shifty said:

Actually. They're not the ones with their panties in a sand encrusted wad about the Russia thing. 

Thought that was just me..

[Anler]

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

Love your title here BTW.

[Anler]

30 minutes ago, Shifty said:

Actually. They're not the ones with their panties in a sand encrusted wad about the Russia thing. 

Not this time. But bring up some Hillary contributors and you bitches all the sudden get all librul!!!!!111

[Zambroski]

40 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said:

I think you two are just adorable!!!

   

 

[Anler]

Just now, Zambroski said:

I think you two are just adorable!!!

   

 

I love us!  

[Zambroski]

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Yeah you're right....there aren't members here that think The United States does no wrong and the words love it or leave it had never been uttered....my bad.