Ontario has gone to hell under NinnyBag

[Boered]

4 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Don't forget paid sick/emergency days.  What a job boom we are in for.

That was all on WynneBag.  Now they share the damage.

this is her way of buying votes. #CUNTFACEDDYKENEEDSTOGO

[ArcticCrusher]

1 hour ago, Boered said:

this is her way of buying votes. #CUNTFACEDDYKENEEDSTOGO

Of course.  A last desperation actually that will not be in power to see the damage it creates.  

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, 02sled said:

here it is for you Fail...

http://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-s-minimum-wage-will-rise-to-15-as-of-jan-1-2019-1.3435129

where do you get

About 1.5 million Ontario workers earn less than $15 an hour.

make it a reliable source rather than your imagination

I am not sure what you are trying to point out but

Ten per cent of Ontario workers currently make the minimum wage, Wynne said, and 30 per cent make less than $15 an hour.

[Boered]

3 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

I am not sure what you are trying to point out but

Ten per cent of Ontario workers currently make the minimum wage, Wynne said, and 30 per cent make less than $15 an hour.

15 bucks an hour is fair for any full time job. How many of the fuckwads on this board would get out of bed for 15 bucks an hour....my guess, not a one.

[02sled]

13 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

I am not sure what you are trying to point out but

Ten per cent of Ontario workers currently make the minimum wage, Wynne said, and 30 per cent make less than $15 an hour.

According to Stats Can in April 2017 there were 7,067,000 people working in Ontario. IF your 10% is accurate that is 706,700 people that this year will go from $11.40 to $14.00 / hour. And you wonder why business is shutting down and leaving Ontario.

$14.00 - $11.40 = $2.60 increase = 22.8% increase in one year

$15.00 - $11.40 = $3.60 increase= 31.6% increase over two years

Go ahead and try to believe that this isn't a huge impact to business. Many small businesses will close their doors, others will lay off staff and increase prices so we pay more for what we purchase. Wynnebag is living in a fantasy world just like everyone else in government where money is an endless supply.

706,700 employees X $2.60 per hour X 40 hours per week X 52 weeks = $3,818,048,000.00

That's roughly a $3.818B hit to Ontario business owners on top of a carbon tax on top on soaring hydro rates in one year.

706,700 employees X $3.60 per hour X 40 hours per week X 52 weeks = $5,291,769,600.00

That's roughly a $5.292B hit to Ontario business owners on top of a carbon tax on top on soaring hydro rates over two years.

That's only those earning minimum wage and doesn't account for the alleged 30% making less than $15 / hour. If we assume that includes the 10% at minimum that would be 20% somewhere in between. That would be 1,413,400 people. Using a median rate of $13.20 / hour that would be an increase of $0.80 per hour in one year and $1.80 over 2 years added to the operating expense burden of those making minimum wage.

1,413,400 X $0.80 X 40 X 52 = $2,351,897,600.00 on top of the increase from minimum wage - total $3,818,048,000.00 + $2,351,897,600.00 = $6,169,945,600.00 in one year additional operating burden to Ontario business and doesn't even touch on emergency / sick paid days.

1,413,400 X $1.80 X 40 X 52 = $5,291,796,600.00 on top of the increase from minimum wage - total $5,291,796,600.00 + $$5,291,769,600.00 = $10,583,539,200.00 over two years additional operating burden to Ontario business and doesn't even touch on emergency / sick paid days.

For government $10.583B is nothing since they piss that away without any thought. For business that is a huge hit. And you can't understand why business will leave or just shut down.

Add to that think about the business where there was a mix of incomes. People earning $11.40 / hr and up. Now the person that was earning $11.40 / hr will be at $15 /hr. Do you think the person that was earning $15 / hr before this due to increased skills or responsibilities won't want a similar raise of 31.6% to keep in line and recognition of their higher skills and responsibilities?

Another nail in the coffin for Ontario business. Wynnebag is just plain out of touch with reality. Just like she admitted she was out of touch with the impact hydro rates had.

 

 

[ArcticCrusher]

6 minutes ago, 02sled said:

According to Stats Can in April 2017 there were 7,067,000 people working in Ontario. IF your 10% is accurate that is 706,700 people that this year will go from $11.40 to $14.00 / hour. And you wonder why business is shutting down and leaving Ontario.

$14.00 - $11.40 = $2.60 increase = 22.8% increase in one year

$15.00 - $11.40 = $3.60 increase= 31.6% increase over two years

Go ahead and try to believe that this isn't a huge impact to business. Many small businesses will close their doors, others will lay off staff and increase prices so we pay more for what we purchase. Wynnebag is living in a fantasy world just like everyone else in government where money is an endless supply.

706,700 employees X $2.60 per hour X 40 hours per week X 52 weeks = $3,818,048,000.00

That's roughly a $3.818B hit to Ontario business owners on top of a carbon tax on top on soaring hydro rates in one year.

706,700 employees X $3.60 per hour X 40 hours per week X 52 weeks = $5,291,769,600.00

That's roughly a $5.292B hit to Ontario business owners on top of a carbon tax on top on soaring hydro rates over two years.

That's only those earning minimum wage and doesn't account for the alleged 30% making less than $15 / hour. If we assume that includes the 10% at minimum that would be 20% somewhere in between. That would be 1,413,400 people. Using a median rate of $13.20 / hour that would be an increase of $0.80 per hour in one year and $1.80 over 2 years added to the operating expense burden of those making minimum wage.

1,413,400 X $0.80 X 40 X 52 = $2,351,897,600.00 on top of the increase from minimum wage - total $3,818,048,000.00 + $2,351,897,600.00 = $6,169,945,600.00 in one year additional operating burden to Ontario business and doesn't even touch on emergency / sick paid days.

1,413,400 X $1.80 X 40 X 52 = $5,291,796,600.00 on top of the increase from minimum wage - total $5,291,796,600.00 + $$5,291,769,600.00 = $10,583,539,200.00 over two years additional operating burden to Ontario business and doesn't even touch on emergency / sick paid days.

For government $10.583B is nothing since they piss that away without any thought. For business that is a huge hit. And you can't understand why business will leave or just shut down.

Add to that think about the business where there was a mix of incomes. People earning $11.40 / hr and up. Now the person that was earning $11.40 / hr will be at $15 /hr. Do you think the person that was earning $15 / hr before this due to increased skills or responsibilities won't want a similar raise of 31.6% to keep in line and recognition of their higher skills and responsibilities?

Another nail in the coffin for Ontario business. Wynnebag is just plain out of touch with reality. Just like she admitted she was out of touch with the impact hydro rates had.

 

 

Wynnebag 4 months ago was against drastic increases.

 

Quote

"That is the responsible way to move forward. It is very important to me that we have a predictable and sustainable way of seeing increases to the minimum wage."

 

[02sled]

11 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Wynnebag 4 months ago was against drastic increases.

 

 

Wynnebag is scrambling to try and buy votes, particularly from those that can't see beyond the smoke screen and realize the true final impact.

[ArcticCrusher]

17 minutes ago, 02sled said:

Wynnebag is scrambling to try and buy votes, particularly from those that can't see beyond the smoke screen and realize the true final impact.

Evidence suggests that for every 10% increase in MW causes a 6% reduction in youth employment, so we are looking at a 15% job loss.

[02sled]

24 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Evidence suggests that for every 10% increase in MW causes a 6% reduction in youth employment, so we are looking at a 15% job loss.

So the most vulnerable to that job loss which is the part time high school student who already finds it tough to find a job will be the most impacted.... but then Wynnebag doesn't care since they don't vote.

One small business owner (burger restaurant), representative of many small businesses, sees the future of his business as bleak. He can't absorb a 32% increase in labour costs and asks who is going to pay $20 for a burger and fries when he raises prices to recoup increased labour costs.

[1trailmaker]

19 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

seems high but than again $10 an hour was going to kill all businesses and it didn't, I am thinking this will happen again.  Maybe 12$ an hour then go up again

 

It will be a good campaign slogan for Brown - "I will lower the minimum wage" not sure that will work out so well......

 

 

Flynn said there's no clear evidence that minimum wage increases are detrimental to businesses. 

"If you look at Seattle and San Francisco, it appears from the early reports coming out that it's actually increasing employment in those areas," said Flynn. "It hasn't had the doomsday scenario for business and I don't think it's going to happen with anything we do here. "

About 1.5 million Ontario workers earn less than $15 an hour.

 

1 hour ago, 02sled said:

According to Stats Can in April 2017 there were 7,067,000 people working in Ontario. IF your 10% is accurate that is 706,700 people that this year will go from $11.40 to $14.00 / hour. And you wonder why business is shutting down and leaving Ontario.

$14.00 - $11.40 = $2.60 increase = 22.8% increase in one year

$15.00 - $11.40 = $3.60 increase= 31.6% increase over two years

Go ahead and try to believe that this isn't a huge impact to business. Many small businesses will close their doors, others will lay off staff and increase prices so we pay more for what we purchase. Wynnebag is living in a fantasy world just like everyone else in government where money is an endless supply.

706,700 employees X $2.60 per hour X 40 hours per week X 52 weeks = $3,818,048,000.00

That's roughly a $3.818B hit to Ontario business owners on top of a carbon tax on top on soaring hydro rates in one year.

706,700 employees X $3.60 per hour X 40 hours per week X 52 weeks = $5,291,769,600.00

That's roughly a $5.292B hit to Ontario business owners on top of a carbon tax on top on soaring hydro rates over two years.

That's only those earning minimum wage and doesn't account for the alleged 30% making less than $15 / hour. If we assume that includes the 10% at minimum that would be 20% somewhere in between. That would be 1,413,400 people. Using a median rate of $13.20 / hour that would be an increase of $0.80 per hour in one year and $1.80 over 2 years added to the operating expense burden of those making minimum wage.

1,413,400 X $0.80 X 40 X 52 = $2,351,897,600.00 on top of the increase from minimum wage - total $3,818,048,000.00 + $2,351,897,600.00 = $6,169,945,600.00 in one year additional operating burden to Ontario business and doesn't even touch on emergency / sick paid days.

1,413,400 X $1.80 X 40 X 52 = $5,291,796,600.00 on top of the increase from minimum wage - total $5,291,796,600.00 + $$5,291,769,600.00 = $10,583,539,200.00 over two years additional operating burden to Ontario business and doesn't even touch on emergency / sick paid days.

For government $10.583B is nothing since they piss that away without any thought. For business that is a huge hit. And you can't understand why business will leave or just shut down.

Add to that think about the business where there was a mix of incomes. People earning $11.40 / hr and up. Now the person that was earning $11.40 / hr will be at $15 /hr. Do you think the person that was earning $15 / hr before this due to increased skills or responsibilities won't want a similar raise of 31.6% to keep in line and recognition of their higher skills and responsibilities?

Another nail in the coffin for Ontario business. Wynnebag is just plain out of touch with reality. Just like she admitted she was out of touch with the impact hydro rates had.

 

 

nice babbling

so you are agreeing 1.5 million make less than 15$ an hour? 

[1trailmaker]

1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Evidence suggests that for every 10% increase in MW causes a 6% reduction in youth employment, so we are looking at a 15% job loss.

do you have a link to this? seriously

[ArcticCrusher]

7 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

do you have a link to this? seriously

Was in here.  

http://globalnews.ca/news/3488559/who-wins-and-who-loses-in-ontarios-decision-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/

[02sled]

37 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

 

nice babbling

so you are agreeing 1.5 million make less than 15$ an hour? 

You call it babble I call it the reality of the financial impact to business in Ontario which is irrelevant to over paid under worked government employees where their employer can just tell the populous they are going to take more money from them and they have no choice.

This is a major impact to business operations thanks to our moron Premier who couldn't understand the impact of hydro costs on people and obviously can't understand the impact of this on business operators. Don't forget the other additional costs that will go along with the $10.6B increased cost. Employers will now have to pay about 33% more in WSIB premiums, EI premiums and CPP contributions.

Wrong... I just used your number of 1.5M. I asked you where you that number from and you Failed to provide that. It's likely from your imagination as usual. My number of employees in Ontario came from StatsCan. I did a quick search and came up with

11.6 per cent of all employees earned the province’s minimum wage last year, according to numbers crunched by Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) senior economist Angella MacEwen.

That says your imaginary 1.5M earning minimum wage is WAY OFF but that's not unusual for you. You're numbers are never ever even close. 11.6% of the 7,067,000 people working in Ontario is only 819,772, just over 1/2 off your out of touch number. In fact it's only 54% of your imaginary number.

 

[02sled]

58 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

do you have a link to this? seriously

You ask AC for a link but when I ask about where you got 1.5M from as earning minimum wage you provide nothing

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, 02sled said:

You call it babble I call it the reality of the financial impact to business in Ontario which is irrelevant to over paid under worked government employees where their employer can just tell the populous they are going to take more money from them and they have no choice.

This is a major impact to business operations thanks to our moron Premier who couldn't understand the impact of hydro costs on people and obviously can't understand the impact of this on business operators. Don't forget the other additional costs that will go along with the $10.6B increased cost. Employers will now have to pay about 33% more in WSIB premiums, EI premiums and CPP contributions.

Wrong... I just used your number of 1.5M. I asked you where you that number from and you Failed to provide that. It's likely from your imagination as usual. My number of employees in Ontario came from StatsCan. I did a quick search and came up with

11.6 per cent of all employees earned the province’s minimum wage last year, according to numbers crunched by Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) senior economist Angella MacEwen.

That says your imaginary 1.5M earning minimum wage is WAY OFF but that's not unusual for you. You're numbers are never ever even close. 11.6% of the 7,067,000 people working in Ontario is only 819,772, just over 1/2 off your out of touch number. In fact it's only 54% of your imaginary number.

 

Under 15$ an hour was the quote made by BNN you keep fucking up

give it another try 0tool

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, 02sled said:

You ask AC for a link but when I ask about where you got 1.5M from as earning minimum wage you provide nothing

About 1.5 million Ontario workers earn less than $15 an hour.

its all in the posts above kingTool including your post

Edited May 31, 2017 by 1trailmaker

[1trailmaker]

3 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Was in here.  

http://globalnews.ca/news/3488559/who-wins-and-who-loses-in-ontarios-decision-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour/

lol you believing the Liberal Government   first time for everything

Thanks for the link

[ArcticCrusher]

42 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

lol you believing the Liberal Government   first time for everything

Thanks for the link

So the numbers are even higher.

[1trailmaker]

1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said:

So the numbers are even higher.

lol

 

[Boered]

5 hours ago, 02sled said:

So the most vulnerable to that job loss which is the part time high school student who already finds it tough to find a job will be the most impacted.... but then Wynnebag doesn't care since they don't vote.

One small business owner (burger restaurant), representative of many small businesses, sees the future of his business as bleak. He can't absorb a 32% increase in labour costs and asks who is going to pay $20 for a burger and fries when he raises prices to recoup increased labour costs.

That is stupid, and so are you for posting it. Moron.

[02sled]

2 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

Under 15$ an hour was the quote made by BNN you keep fucking up

give it another try 0tool

In post #847 you said

About 1.5 million Ontario workers earn less than $15 an hour.

I asked where you got that number from and in post #853 you said

Ten per cent of Ontario workers currently make the minimum wage, Wynne said, and 30 per cent make less than $15 an hour.

Which didn't answer the question of where you got the 1.5M from but what else is new.

According to Stats Can 7,067,000 are employed in Ontario. I've been using YOUR NUMBERS WHICH ARE INCONSISTENT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T PROVIDED THE SOURCE OF.

7,067,700 X 30% which is the % you posted is actually 2,120,100 which is far from the 1.5M you also posted. Your usual inconsistency is noted. So which is it Fail? Make up your mind... don't forget I used YOUR numbers.

First time you mentioned BNN was your post #865 by the way.... still no link though to your source for the INCONSISTENT NUMBERS

Edited May 31, 2017 by 02sled

[1trailmaker]

1 hour ago, 02sled said:

In post #847 you said

About 1.5 million Ontario workers earn less than $15 an hour.

I asked where you got that number from and in post #853 you said

Ten per cent of Ontario workers currently make the minimum wage, Wynne said, and 30 per cent make less than $15 an hour.

Which didn't answer the question of where you got the 1.5M from but what else is new.

According to Stats Can 7,067,000 are employed in Ontario. I've been using YOUR NUMBERS WHICH ARE INCONSISTENT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T PROVIDED THE SOURCE OF.

7,067,700 X 30% which is the % you posted is actually 2,120,100 which is far from the 1.5M you also posted. Your usual inconsistency is noted. So which is it Fail? Make up your mind... don't forget I used YOUR numbers.

dude give up - first was from my post then the second bold was from your post

what a 0tool

[02sled]

8 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

dude give up - first was from my post then the second bold was from your post

what a 0tool

STILL WRONG AGAIN DUMB AS A STUMP FAIL since you obviously didn't look back at YOUR post I suggest you look at #853. I copied it here for you

Edited May 31, 2017 by 02sled

[ArcticCrusher]

4 minutes ago, 02sled said:

STILL WRONG AGAIN DUMB AS A STUMP FAIL since you obviously didn't look back at YOUR post I suggest you look at #853. I copied it here for you

11.6% is the number in ontario from 2015 earning min wage.  

I took his response as a shoot from the hip anyway.

[1trailmaker]

1 hour ago, 02sled said:

STILL WRONG AGAIN DUMB AS A STUMP FAIL since you obviously didn't look back at YOUR post I suggest you look at #853. I copied it here for you

0tool move on you are no that bright

That bold was directly copied from the link you provided - that is the reason I didn't understand what you were trying to point out.

Your post agreed with mine -

 

move on 0toll