motonoggin Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT WHAT DO YOU know about Hamas? That it’s sworn to destroy Israel? That it’s a terrorist group, proscribed both by the United States and the European Union? That it rules Gaza with an iron fist? That it’s killed hundreds of innocent Israelis with rocket, mortar, and suicide attacks? But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback? This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”) “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote. They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence. In the past decade alone, Israel has gone to war with Hamas three times — in 2009, 2012, and 2014 — killing around 2,500 Palestinian civilians in Gaza in the process. Meanwhile, Hamas has killed far more Israeli civilians than any secular Palestinian militant group. This is the human cost of blowback. “When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.” They never do, do they? https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spin_dry Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, motonoggin said: BLOWBACK: HOW ISRAEL WENT FROM HELPING CREATE HAMAS TO BOMBING IT WHAT DO YOU know about Hamas? That it’s sworn to destroy Israel? That it’s a terrorist group, proscribed both by the United States and the European Union? That it rules Gaza with an iron fist? That it’s killed hundreds of innocent Israelis with rocket, mortar, and suicide attacks? But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback? This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”) “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote. They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence. In the past decade alone, Israel has gone to war with Hamas three times — in 2009, 2012, and 2014 — killing around 2,500 Palestinian civilians in Gaza in the process. Meanwhile, Hamas has killed far more Israeli civilians than any secular Palestinian militant group. This is the human cost of blowback. “When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.” They never do, do they? https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ More truth keeps coming out about Israel. Fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Is this all part of the prophecy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) "Meanwhile, Hamas has killed far more Israeli civilians" Only a peanut brained clown would support hamas and ya theres a lot of them here, sad little led men who cant think for themselves. Edited May 17, 2018 by washedupmxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Somebody has reading comprehension issues.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: Somebody has reading comprehension issues.... You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Jesus is dripper fuckin stupid How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 News article: Israel created Hamas Dripper: Why do you support Hamas?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: Somebody has reading comprehension issues.... Like the people who ignore why Israel would do such a thing? Like the people who ignore that Hamas has killed far more Israelis than any other "Palestinian secularist" group? That kind of comprehension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, DriftBusta said: Like the people who ignore why Israel would do such a thing? Like the people who ignore that Hamas has killed far more Israelis than any other "Palestinian secularist" group? That kind of comprehension? Hamas, a creation of Israel, has killed more Israelis than any other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, motonoggin said: News article: Israel created Hamas Dripper: Why do you support Hamas?????? when you can't quote it. Make it up! sad little snowflake can't even make an argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, washedupmxer said: "Meanwhile, Hamas has killed far more Israeli civilians" Only a peanut brained clown would support hamas and ya theres a lot of them here, sad little led men who cant think for themselves. 4 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: when you can't quote it. Make it up! sad little snowflake can't even make an argument 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: That's not me asking why dummy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Like the people who ignore why Israel would do such a thing? Like the people who ignore that Hamas has killed far more Israelis than any other "Palestinian secularist" group? That kind of comprehension? The story isn't about 52 dead Israelis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: The story isn't about 52 dead Israelis. So dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: That's not me asking why dummy lol Who supports Hamas? I mean, besides Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: So dumb You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: You? Thats a brilliant retort! Did you get help with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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