xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Actually, yes. Is this Tool Kit? I like you Zam, but you’re fucking retarded some days. Now NASA didn’t make a million and one breakthroughs in science, tech, flight, and exploration. Um, ok. Lol JT=Zammy. It’s all fake news. How can anyone be this ignorant? What narrative is shifting? It’s remained constant you fuckwit. Original statement: NASA has an extremely valuable mission to human advancement. Last statement: NASA has had an extremely valuable impact on human advancement. How is the narrative shifting? Or are you just trying to weasel out of not being able to back up your nonsense by pretending like I’m the one going in circles. Next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) And let me be even more clear. I’d rather spend every dollar we spend on the military on orgs like NASA, education, the epa, etc.. to fail a million and one times than to use our blood and capital fighting frivolous wars. I’d be happy they spent a trillion dollars failing to find cures for disease, failed ideas of tech grandeur, and missing the mark on traveling to mars and outside our solar system. Because every time we fail there we learn and improve. Every time we drop a bomb we fail and don’t learn from past mistakes. IE. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the ME, and Africa. So yeah, call me a big lib or whatever you want, but our priorities are fucked. Edited April 20, 2018 by xtralettucetomatoe580 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 12 hours ago, SnowRider said: Look how clueless the narrow minded regressives are towards investment in the future Science says males have a penis and women have vaginas. Science says vaccines work.Science says if you feed an animal repeatedly, it will become dependent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: I like you Zam, but you’re fucking retarded some days. Now NASA didn’t make a million and one breakthroughs in science, tech, flight, and exploration. Um, ok. Lol JT=Zammy. It’s all fake news. How can anyone be this ignorant? What narrative is shifting? It’s remained constant you fuckwit. Original statement: NASA has an extremely valuable mission to human advancement. Last statement: NASA has had an extremely valuable impact on human advancement. How is the narrative shifting? Or are you just trying to weasel out of not being able to back up your nonsense by pretending like I’m the one going in circles. Next... Who said it was fake? You are making an argument from my side to justify your position which you are shifting as you go to try and make a point I don't quite understand. I didn't state NASA was worthless at all, I just questioned you on why you feel it should be this country's biggest priority. Assuming you meant NASA that means to me you feel space exploration? That doesn't make sense to me. Somewhere in all that...you spazzed out. Relax. BTW, I like you too and we've clearly chewed some of the same dirt/sand and I find you a very much needed intelligent addition here. But sometimes the extreme librul side of you get's out of the container. I'm here to help you contain the spillage! 1 minute ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: And let me be even more clear. I’d rather spend every dollar we spend on the military on orgs like NASA, education, the epa, etc.. to fail a million and one times than to use our blood and capital fighting frivolous wars. I’d be happy they spent a trillion dollars failing to find cures for disease, failed ideas of tech grandeur, and missing the mark on traveling to mars and outside our universe. Because every time we fail there we learn and improve. Every time we drop a bomb we fail and don’t learn from past mistakes. IE. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the ME, and Africa. So yeah, call me a big lib or whatever you want, but our priorities are fucked. Ok...this makes more sense but still is a bit askew of the "exploration statement". I agree with most of this though.....kinda less the space exploration points. Not sure what we are searching for out there exactly but don't feel any of it is good for us...or the rest of the universe should we try to expand our human disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Zambroski said: Who said it was fake? You are making an argument from my side to justify your position which you are shifting as you go to try and make a point I don't quite understand. I didn't state NASA was worthless at all, I just questioned you on why you feel it should be this country's biggest priority. Assuming you meant NASA that means to me you feel space exploration? That doesn't make sense to me. Somewhere in all that...you spazzed out. Relax. BTW, I like you too and we've clearly chewed some of the same dirt/sand and I find you a very much needed intelligent addition here. But sometimes the extreme librul side of you get's out of the container. I'm here to help you contain the spillage! Ok...this makes more sense but still is a bit askew of the "exploration statement". I agree with most of this though.....kinda less the space exploration points. Not sure what we are searching for out there exactly but don't feel any of it is good for us...or the rest of the universe should we try to expand our human disease. The desire to explore space results in the breakthroughs. It’s the catalyst to the rest. Neil Degrasse Tyson made a real clever point last year on Maher. Maher was being a typical cunt (which is usually still pretty funny) and saying space exploration is fucking dumb and useless. Going to Mars was dumb. Neil’s point being the attempt to colonize Mars would allow us to understand and hone the ability to terraform. Lessons learned there would give us the ability to replicate here and improve crop output, reverse warming or cooling trends, and master our environment so negative effects were not permanent or a struggle for us as we grow our footprint on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:44 AM, Skidooski said: And Obama was the one who made the push to the Private sector starting with him canceling the Constellation Program that was well under way with ARES 1-5 Obama cancelled Constellation with the idea that we start planning Martian trips with our allies to spread the costs. IMO we need to do some Moon shots as practice to reach Mars, it's been a long time since we landed on the Moon. On 4/19/2018 at 6:50 AM, NaturallyAspirated said: There are many brilliant Muslims, why would we want to disparage or ostercise them? Neal The Muslims have done much to further math and science through the ages, accentuating the positive can certainly help in pulling some from the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: The desire to explore space results in the breakthroughs. It’s the catalyst to the rest. Neil Degrasse Tyson made a real clever point last year on Maher. Maher was being a typical cunt (which is usually still pretty funny) and saying space exploration is fucking dumb and useless. Going to Mars was dumb. Neil’s point being the attempt to colonize Mars would allow us to understand and hone the ability to terraform. Lessons learned there would give us the ability to replicate here and improve crop output, reverse warming or cooling trends, and master our environment so negative effects were not permanent or a struggle for us as we grow our footprint on earth. Cost to benefit ratio doesn't work for me. It sounds like a "GW" type of sales pitch to me to fund a fringe group. Going to another planet to try and terraform there to learn lessons on how to terraform here? That money is better spent here learning to unfuck what we've been, and continue to fuck up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Obama cancelled Constellation with the idea that we start planning Martian trips with our allies to spread the costs. IMO we need to do some Moon shots as practice to reach Mars, it's been a long time since we landed on the Moon. The Muslims have done much to further math and science through the ages, accentuating the positive can certainly help in pulling some from the dark side. Bringing religion into this makes it all seem fucking stupid. SO...if we're gonna sound stupid them, Christians have done MUCH MORE than Muslims in the science and math arena. It's not even a close accomplishment list. Now...wanna talk about accomplishments from people of middle eastern and european descent? Ok...that may sound more intelligent. Obama was such a fucking moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Bringing religion into this makes it all seem fucking stupid. SO...if we're gonna sound stupid them, Christians have done MUCH MORE than Muslims in the science and math arena. It's not even a close accomplishment list. Now...wanna talk about accomplishments from people of middle eastern and european descent? Ok...that may sound more intelligent. Obama was such a fucking moron. It's not so much religion as it's bringing people and cultures that are led by despots into seeing that there is something else besides a medieval religion to look to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: It's not so much religion as it's bringing people and cultures that are led by despots into seeing that there is something else besides a medieval religion to look to. The Muslims should focus on cleaning their own house up a bit so people can see this. Western society trying to make the Muslim world seem "acceptable" to our culture is a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:37 AM, Ez ryder said: shut nasa down . we can't afford it any longer to much debt for little pet projects . privet sector is doing it better now any way 23 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: The desire to explore space results in the breakthroughs. It’s the catalyst to the rest. Neil Degrasse Tyson made a real clever point last year on Maher. Maher was being a typical cunt (which is usually still pretty funny) and saying space exploration is fucking dumb and useless. Going to Mars was dumb. Neil’s point being the attempt to colonize Mars would allow us to understand and hone the ability to terraform. Lessons learned there would give us the ability to replicate here and improve crop output, reverse warming or cooling trends, and master our environment so negative effects were not permanent or a struggle for us as we grow our footprint on earth. Great post, but I must point out the deep thinkers like EZ we have here.................. Keep up the good fight my man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted April 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Obama cancelled Constellation with the idea that we start planning Martian trips with our allies to spread the costs. IMO we need to do some Moon shots as practice to reach Mars, it's been a long time since we landed on the Moon. Obama cancelled the Constellation program to shift much it to the private sector and have them compete with Boeing and Lockheed etc. The Constellation was started by a previous admin with the idea of not only replacing the old Space Shuttles but to go back to the moon and start looking to Mars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 53 minutes ago, Snake said: Science says males have a penis and women have vaginas. Science says vaccines work.Science says if you feed an animal repeatedly, it will become dependent. I'm pretty sure that point just whizzed over his pointy head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: I'm pretty sure that point just whizzed over his pointy head UConn.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Great post, but I must point out the deep thinkers like EZ we have here.................. Keep up the good fight my man again . playing with shit on the space station that we have to hitch a ride up and back on is all fine and dandy . but again we are beond fucking broke shut it down and any other shit that is not 1000% essential. freeways and in countery security federal property maintenance. that is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Cost to benefit ratio doesn't work for me. It sounds like a "GW" type of sales pitch to me to fund a fringe group. Going to another planet to try and terraform there to learn lessons on how to terraform here? That money is better spent here learning to unfuck what we've been, and continue to fuck up. How’s the cost to benefit of trillions spent in the ME working for you? If we spent that same money on research and tech, we’d be so far ahead it wouldn’t even be funny. 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Bringing religion into this makes it all seem fucking stupid. SO...if we're gonna sound stupid them, Christians have done MUCH MORE than Muslims in the science and math arena. It's not even a close accomplishment list. Now...wanna talk about accomplishments from people of middle eastern and european descent? Ok...that may sound more intelligent. Obama was such a fucking moron. Know your history. And Muslim isn’t a religion... Islam is a religion. Muslims, who also happened to practice Islam but also other faiths, are the forefathers of modern math and science. Everything they produced and deciphered is still used today. It is the basis for modern algebra and calculus. Just cause you don’t like them, doesn’t make it any less the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted April 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: again . playing with shit on the space station that we have to hitch a ride up and back on is all fine and dandy . but again we are beond fucking broke shut it down and any other shit that is not 1000% essential. freeways and in countery security federal property maintenance. that is it It's expensive and getting more and more so. We dropped the ball on replacing the Shuttle fleet and do not have any human rated vehicles yet to get us their on our own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Skidooski said: It's expensive and getting more and more so. We dropped the ball on replacing the Shuttle fleet and do not have any human rated vehicles yet to get us their on our own looks like space collusion to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: How’s the cost to benefit of trillions spent in the ME working for you? If we spent that same money on research and tech, we’d be so far ahead it wouldn’t even be funny. Know your history. And Muslim isn’t a religion... Islam is a religion. Muslims, who also happened to practice Islam but also other faiths, are the forefathers of modern math and science. Everything they produced and deciphered is still used today. It is the basis for modern algebra and calculus. Just cause you don’t like them, doesn’t make it any less the truth. Bold: Are you serious or is thus "Fun with symantics"? Is this Ashton Kutcher? A MUSLIM is the follower of Islam required to follow the five standards and practices of Islam via the Quaran. Now, go poke your fucking eye out. Why do you think I'm a proponent of the "trillions spent in the ME"? When did I state that? Why do you think I am adverse to research and tech? I never stated that either. Remember, I questioned you on why you felt our nations biggest goal should be "exploration". And it was clear on the context you meant space. Stop dissappointing me. Or, is this Neal? FUCK YOU ASHTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Bold: Are you serious or is thus "Fun with symantics"? Is this Ashton Kutcher? A MUSLIM is the follower of Islam required to follow the five standards and practices of Islam via the Quaran. Now, go poke your fucking eye out. Why do you think I'm a proponent of the "trillions spent in the ME"? When did I state that? Why do you think I am adverse to research and tech? I never stated that either. Remember, I questioned you on why you felt our nations biggest goal should be "exploration". And it was clear on the context you meant space. Stop dissappointing me. Or, is this Neal? FUCK YOU ASHTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whenever Zambini doesn’t have a decent rebuttal to logic and common knowledge that goes against his thoughts, he throws out the, “Is this Neal/______ insert name here.” It’s quite comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Whenever Zambini doesn’t have a decent rebuttal to logic and common knowledge that goes against his thoughts, he throws out the, “Is this Neal/______ insert name here.” It’s quite comical. Rebuttal? You are putting words in my mouth. You want me to rebut that? No. Stop it. I did correct you on the Muslim/Islam thang, so....should I prepare for the next twisting narrative here? Is this Neal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Rebuttal? You are putting words in my mouth. You want me to rebutt that? No. Stop it. Hold my pocket Zammy. I make all my bitches hold my pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Hold my pocket Zammy. I make all my bitches hold my pocket. Oh, my sweet, young grasshopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Skidooski said: It's expensive and getting more and more so. We dropped the ball on replacing the Shuttle fleet and do not have any human rated vehicles yet to get us their on our own Didn't happen under Obama's watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted April 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, T1R9sledder said: Didn't happen under Obama's watch? 30 years of using the Space Shuttles ended in 2011 and since then we've been paying the Russians to get us to the ISS. Had they kept the ARES 1-5 we would likely have our rides already in place. SpaceX and Boeing are behind schedule with Human rated vehicles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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