ActionfigureJoe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 hours ago, Carlos Danger said: The Pentagon has been over selling Russia for decades. The only successful weapon system Russia has made in the last 70 years is the AK47 everything else has sucked. This is very true. Although the poor quality of equipment, lack of command and control structure, and overall incompetence was grossly underestimated by the US military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 16 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Ukraine didn’t have a chance against russia’s long held willingness to throw bodies into a war. Putin is really no different than Stalin in this regard. In fact, he’s followed stalin’s blueprint to the tee. Including the use of other nation’s assets to fight a war after his have been exhausted. In the end Russia will have gained nothing. They’ve created so much hate in Ukraine and throughout Europe that they’ll never have any stability or legitimacy in Ukraine. They don’t have the resources or man power to control the entire area. They created a Vietnam on their own doorstep. When has Putin ever wanted all of Ukraine? He’s never said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, akvanden said: Likely with China. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 41 minutes ago, Rod said: What army in nato is going to push the Russians out? The militaries that are part of NATO, who else. Remember, I said if it could be kept within the bounds of conventional warfare. Just now, Anler said: Awesome! I can feel your enthusiasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, Rod said: When has Putin ever wanted all of Ukraine? He’s never said that. It doesn’t matter how much he wants. It’ll be riddled with sabotage and bombings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: This is very true. Although the poor quality of equipment, lack of command and control structure, and overall incompetence was grossly underestimated by the US military. Grossly underestimated on purpose. The US has had a working stock of front line Russian fighter jets for 40 years they knew they were shit and yet they kept putting in for the latest and greatest expensive fighter programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Russia lost 10 top of the line fighter jets this week which they really can't afford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 hours ago, Rod said: They also made hypersonic missiles The aim 54 phoenix missle was made in the 60s and it was hypersonic what is the big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Grossly underestimated on purpose. The US has had a working stock of front line Russian fighter jets for 40 years they knew they were shit and yet they kept putting in for the latest and greatest expensive fighter programs. Jet capabilities are easy, measuring leadership incompetence prior to putting it to the test is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, Carlos Danger said: Russia lost 10 top of the line fighter jets this week which they really can't afford. They’ve also lost several of their AWACs style aircraft under some rather mysterious circumstances. There’s questions about some rather unconventional weaponry being used to take them down from such a long distance. Hello DARPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Grossly underestimated on purpose. The US has had a working stock of front line Russian fighter jets for 40 years they knew they were shit and yet they kept putting in for the latest and greatest expensive fighter programs. No,,,the gross incompetence and underfunded programs even took the pentagon by surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, akvanden said: Jet capabilities are easy, measuring leadership incompetence prior to putting it to the test is not. Project ivy bells and others were more than enough to prove the incompetence of Soviet leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: They’ve also lost several of their AWACs style aircraft under some rather mysterious circumstances. There’s questions about some rather unconventional weaponry being used to take them down from such a long distance. Hello DARPA. Yea a pair of T50s got on the wrong end of a rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 28 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 28 46 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Nonsense. America is claiming no territory as theirs. There are defense agreements that have been entered into by some European countries for protection. Meanwhile China has claimed all of the South China Sea and constructed island bases loaded with military hardware. They’re also terrorizing Vietnam, Philippines, and other south East Asian countries with their pathetic navel forces. Russia has also invaded and occupied four countries since Putin came to power. These are the facts. Not giving China a excuse just saying its easy to see how countries dislike how we place our military around the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 With all of this gross incompetence you'd think Russia would have been wiped out by now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 23 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: It doesn’t matter how much he wants. It’ll be riddled with sabotage and bombings. It already was. The west side of Ukraine has been shelling the east side for like a decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, Anler said: With all of this gross incompetence you'd think Russia would have been wiped out by now... they’re somehow a laughable incompetent county and the biggest threat to the world all at the same time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Rod said: they’re somehow a laughable incompetent county and the biggest threat to the world all at the same time Yes grossly incompetent but the ENTIRE western world must unite to stop their incompetent expansion! LOL that sounds like some democrat incompetence there if I ever heard it. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 37 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Project ivy bells and others were more than enough to prove the incompetence of Soviet leadership. Don’t make me Google….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, akvanden said: Don’t make me Google….. The navy tapped the under sea communication lines for the Russian navy. The US knew what they were up against. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 28 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: The navy tapped the under sea communication lines for the Russian navy. The US knew what they were up against. In the 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Rod said: It already was. The west side of Ukraine has been shelling the east side for like a decade Not so much until 2014 when Putin injected 9000 Russian troops and annexed the Russian separatists militias into the Russian military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 minutes ago, akvanden said: In the 70s. What you think things improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said: What you think things improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Not so much until 2014 when Putin injected 9000 Russian troops and annexed the Russian separatists militias into the Russian military. You mean when the US funded a coup to over throw the Ukrainian government? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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