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Ukraine didn’t lose. Russia just got everything they wanted.


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1 hour ago, Highmark said:

 Russia went at Kyiv with kid gloves.   They really didn't use much air power and a land based armor attack on existing roads is foolish and fairly easy to defend against.   I think they realized if they turned Kyiv to rubble the west may have done far more.    

What? They tried going to Kiev with a 40 mile long convoy. The Ukrainians systematically destroyed vehicles at the  head and rear of the convoy with drones and special forces trained by the CIA. The convoy stalled. The Ukrainians came out at night with small teams that decimated Russian men and machines. It’s during those battles that Russia lost an entire brigade of their spetznaz guys. The Russians couldn’t use air power without the Ukrainians slicing them to pieces with the western antiaircraft missiles stationed heavily in and around Kiev. 

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2 hours ago, Highmark said:

 Russia went at Kyiv with kid gloves.   They really didn't use much air power and a land based armor attack on existing roads is foolish and fairly easy to defend against.   I think they realized if they turned Kyiv to rubble the west may have done far more.    

 

50 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

What? They tried going to Kiev with a 40 mile long convoy. The Ukrainians systematically destroyed vehicles at the  head and rear of the convoy with drones and special forces trained by the CIA. The convoy stalled. The Ukrainians came out at night with small teams that decimated Russian men and machines. It’s during those battles that Russia lost an entire brigade of their spetznaz guys. The Russians couldn’t use air power without the Ukrainians slicing them to pieces with the western antiaircraft missiles stationed heavily in and around Kiev. 

Might want to re-read my post.   I said they didn't really use that much air power and lining up a long convoy on a single road was foolish at best.   So they are really stupid at planning, expected Kyiv to just concede or was using it as a diversionary tactic for the southeast. 

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