Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 11, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 First Toyota’s best engineers call a Tesla model Y a work of art and a manufacturing modern marvel and copying Tesla in manufacturing now Ford comes knocking on the door to go to Auto manufacturing school. https://www.teslarati.com/ford-taps-idra-gigapress-advance-ev-manufacturing-through-casting/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 11, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 11, 2023 Last couple programs I’ve worked have been Ford vehicles and they are a mess. Stelantis might even be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Skidooski said: Last couple programs I’ve worked have been Ford vehicles and they are a mess. Stelantis might even be better. Ford has definitely lost their way. I will say this, the Transit is way better than that fucking Mercedes. Easy to work on and with no extra plumbing under the hood. That little 3.7 is one of the best motors ford ever produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, BOHICA said: First Toyota’s best engineers call a Tesla model Y a work of art and a manufacturing modern marvel and copying Tesla in manufacturing now Ford comes knocking on the door to go to Auto manufacturing school. https://www.teslarati.com/ford-taps-idra-gigapress-advance-ev-manufacturing-through-casting/ The learning curve at Tesla was steep. Early teslas reminded me of where Rivian is starting with all those brackets and fixtures. It’s no wonder they weigh so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 They designed a shit box. Of course it's easy to manufacture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Deephaven said: They designed a shit box. Of course it's easy to manufacture. Man of many talents such as yourself.....surprised you haven't produced a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 12, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The learning curve at Tesla was steep. Early teslas reminded me of where Rivian is starting with all those brackets and fixtures. It’s no wonder they weigh so much. Ya. The learning curve had to be but in just a few a decade of making cars they have manufactures like Toyota and Ford trying to emulate the latest products and the manufacturing techniques. Impressive Tesla has become the leader in the automotive world. Rivian will get there as they are not bound by layers of red tape to sort through and a management and chief designers that thinks they know what they are doing like the legacy automakers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Ya. The learning curve had to be but in just a few a decade of making cars they have manufactures like Toyota and Ford trying to emulate the latest products and the manufacturing techniques. Impressive Tesla has become the leader in the automotive world. Rivian will get there as they are not bound by layers of red tape to sort through and a management and chief designers that thinks they know what they are doing like the legacy automakers. Tesla gets benchmarked now just like all the rest of the manus have been forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 12, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Tesla gets benchmarked now just like all the rest of the manus have been forever. Benchmarking is testing your vehicle against another manufacturing. What mans are doing is straight up copying Tesla and reverse engineering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Benchmarking is testing your vehicle against another manufacturing. What mans are doing is straight up copying Tesla and reverse engineering. Tesla still has a long way to go with reliability. They’d never make the cut at Toyota. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/amp/ Edited October 12, 2023 by spin_dry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, BOHICA said: Benchmarking is testing your vehicle against another manufacturing. What mans are doing is straight up copying Tesla and reverse engineering. Which has been going on forever. It’s not a new thing with Tesla. There’s multiple third party applications where you can digitally review parts of any modern car with a click of a button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: Tesla still has a long way to go with reliability. They’d never make the cut at Toyota. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/amp/ They have new ideas but not the level of quality and reliability yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 12, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Tesla still has a long way to go with reliability. They’d never make the cut at Toyota. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-placed-bottom-consumer-reports-reliability-rankings/amp/ Tesla issues are typically software issues that are usually solved via software updates. Not a reliability issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Skidooski said: They have new ideas but not the level of quality and reliability yet They also suck for self service. Rich Rebuilds has shown numerous examples of how locked down the platform is for serviceability. That’s a big turnoff for those of us that repair our own stuff. I’d never own one for that reason alone. IMO Tesla is too much of an Elon, money making scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Tesla issues are typically software issues that are usually solved via software updates. Not a reliability issue. Not true. There’s plenty of hardware issues with Tesla. They use the same subs as the rest of the auto industry. During the pandemic Toyota cut back on production because parts suppliers were shipping garbage. Tesla was full steam ahead. As were the big three. A lot of crap got shipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 Casting cracks that you can shine light through are far from software related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, Skidooski said: Casting cracks that you can shine light through are far from software related The door handles and locking assemblies have been a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 12, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 “Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art,” an engineer who participated in the teardown told Automotive News. “It’s unbelievable.” Although Toyota is famed for its engineering and manufacturing acumen, its engineers realized that Tesla has a “whole different manufacturing philosophy,” and that it needs a “new platform designed as a blank-sheet EV,” two executives said. https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/toyota-rethinks-its-approach-to-evs-after-tearing-down-work-of-art-tesla-model-y/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gold Member BOHICA Posted October 12, 2023 Author Gold Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Skidooski said: 😂. You idiot that comment came from a comment section on a financial post article where it says Tesla’s profit margin is 18.1% excluding regulator credits. posting that is like getting your news from content creators on tik toc or Twitter you moron. You can read the article here on Teslas profits and go down to the comment section and see where you got that word for word. 😂 https://financialpost.com/investing/tesla-stock-sinks-elon-musk-warns-more-blows-profitability 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, BOHICA said: Benchmarking is testing your vehicle against another manufacturing. What mans are doing is straight up copying Tesla and reverse engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 12, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 6 hours ago, BOHICA said: 😂. You idiot that comment came from a comment section on a financial post article where it says Tesla’s profit margin is 18.1% excluding regulator credits. posting that is like getting your news from content creators on tik toc or Twitter you moron. You can read the article here on Teslas profits and go down to the comment section and see where you got that word for word. 😂 https://financialpost.com/investing/tesla-stock-sinks-elon-musk-warns-more-blows-profitability Figure out what benchmarking really is first before calling people names. Getting emotional over a car company…lol That was you and Ford long time ago That came up under the many articles when you Google “Common Tesla issues”. Besides the numerous software related things, there’s still a many more outside that umbrella. Some of which include a lot of government help to turn a profit 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Tesla owner slams the car company after finding a litany of issues with his $140,000 Model S: ‘Absolutely horrible’ Jeremiah Budin Thu, October 12, 2023 at 4:00 AM CDT·2 min read 994 EVs are only getting more popular, and Tesla certainly deserves a big portion of the credit for showing drivers that high-end electric vehicles are more than just a fantasy. Still, when it comes to actually manufacturing these cars, the evidence continues to pile up that Tesla has more than its share of shortcomings. One Redditor recently posted a video on r/Wellthatsucks detailing all of the problems with his brand new $140,000 Tesla Model S Plaid. “I don’t understand,” he says while poking around the loose, unsecured door trim, front trunk, and more. “Can somebody please explain to me the build quality of Teslas?” “I understand Teslas are pretty much computers and they happen to manufacture vehicles,” he continues, “but the bits and pieces don’t fit, nothing is flush. It looks like toddlers put this together during recess.” The unhappy driver’s fellow Redditors were quick to weigh in. “Sister and her partner have a Model X,” one commenter writes. “The doors never close 100% making it absolutely horrible for your feet in winter.” “My friend has the same model,” another commenter adds. “Can confirm the same quality build. But he showed me the dash bends and moves just as bad!” “Some assembly is required!” writes a third. “All jokes aside, that must sting for the owner.” As for the reasons why this incredibly expensive car seemingly has so many issues, many commenters speculated that the company’s treatment of its employees was part of the problem. This is far from the first time that Teslas have made the internet buzz for their faultiness. The company is currently under investigation by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for several crashes where self-driving Teslas ran into parked emergency vehicles, including one where the driver was killed. There have also been reports of Tesla steering wheels falling off while the car was in motion, and Tesla batteries spontaneously bursting into flames. Luckily for any prospective EV buyers, however, there are now many other EVs on the market that cost a fraction of Tesla’s asking price and don’t come with a litany of assembly and safety issues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted October 12, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, XCR1250 said: Tesla owner slams the car company after finding a litany of issues with his $140,000 Model S: ‘Absolutely horrible’ Jeremiah Budin Thu, October 12, 2023 at 4:00 AM CDT·2 min read 994 EVs are only getting more popular, and Tesla certainly deserves a big portion of the credit for showing drivers that high-end electric vehicles are more than just a fantasy. Still, when it comes to actually manufacturing these cars, the evidence continues to pile up that Tesla has more than its share of shortcomings. One Redditor recently posted a video on r/Wellthatsucks detailing all of the problems with his brand new $140,000 Tesla Model S Plaid. “I don’t understand,” he says while poking around the loose, unsecured door trim, front trunk, and more. “Can somebody please explain to me the build quality of Teslas?” “I understand Teslas are pretty much computers and they happen to manufacture vehicles,” he continues, “but the bits and pieces don’t fit, nothing is flush. It looks like toddlers put this together during recess.” The unhappy driver’s fellow Redditors were quick to weigh in. “Sister and her partner have a Model X,” one commenter writes. “The doors never close 100% making it absolutely horrible for your feet in winter.” “My friend has the same model,” another commenter adds. “Can confirm the same quality build. But he showed me the dash bends and moves just as bad!” “Some assembly is required!” writes a third. “All jokes aside, that must sting for the owner.” As for the reasons why this incredibly expensive car seemingly has so many issues, many commenters speculated that the company’s treatment of its employees was part of the problem. This is far from the first time that Teslas have made the internet buzz for their faultiness. The company is currently under investigation by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for several crashes where self-driving Teslas ran into parked emergency vehicles, including one where the driver was killed. There have also been reports of Tesla steering wheels falling off while the car was in motion, and Tesla batteries spontaneously bursting into flames. Luckily for any prospective EV buyers, however, there are now many other EVs on the market that cost a fraction of Tesla’s asking price and don’t come with a litany of assembly and safety issues Over the air software update will fix that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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