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10 hours ago, SSFB said:

But there's zero question that the US invasion of Iraq destabilized the entire region and now there's even bigger boogeymen in the desert. 

Yes but it didn't have too.   We fucked up going in and fucked up going out.  

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1 hour ago, DriftBusta said:

 

No argument there.  Still doesn't solve the issue of trying to contain the threats, which we are still doing.  What if Obama stayed and finished the job in Iraq?  What if.....what if.....There's also no question that Saddam used chemical weapons, invaded his neighbors, was threatening us, and wouldn't let inspectors do their jobs.  Just let him run amok?  None of the blame Bush crowd ever seems to want to address those facts.

Oh ffs.  

There was no way for that what if to occur, the SOFA agreement was worked out GWB and of course it was implemented when Barack was POTUS, but of course you know that the Maliki government was unyielding in there refusal to having US military personnel being exempt from Iraqi law, and of course there is no way we could have or should have allowed our military personnel to be subject to Iraqi law :news: 

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12 hours ago, revkevsdi said:

Do you know why that Iranian crazy Islamabadpajamas. Hated American so much? He was on the front line in the war between Iran and Iraq. Kind of pissed him off that one million Muslims died in a proxy war between the US and Russia.

That's complete bullshit.   The Iran-Iraq war while a small part a proxy war was nothing like we are seeing today.   Saddam invaded Iran because the revolution in Iran by the Shia Muslims easily could have spilled over into his country which has a larger percentage of Shia than Sunni.  Saddam also knew Iran's American weapons would not be replaced now because of the falling out with the US.   It was a war of opportunity and protect his ass from a shia revolution.

After the Iranian Revolution[edit]

Tensions between Iraq and Iran were fueled by Iran's Islamic revolution and its appearance of being a Pan-Islamic force, in contrast to Iraq's Arab nationalism. Despite Iraq's goals of regaining the Shatt al-Arab,[note 1] the Iraqi government seemed to initially welcome Iran's Revolution, which overthrew Iran's Shah, who was seen as a common enemy.[47][54] It is difficult to pinpoint when tensions began to build.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqis to overthrow the Ba'ath government, which was received with considerable anger in Baghdad.[47] On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, Saddam gave a speech praising the Iranian Revolution and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs.[47] When Khomeini rejected Saddam's overture by calling for Islamic revolution[52]in Iraq, Saddam was alarmed.[47] Iran's new Islamic administration was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath government, especially because the Ba'ath party, having a secular nature, discriminated and posed a threat to the Shia movement in Iraq, whose clerics were Iran's allies within Iraq and whom Khomeini saw as oppressed.[47]

  

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1 hour ago, DriftBusta said:

 

No argument there.  Still doesn't solve the issue of trying to contain the threats, which we are still doing.  What if Obama stayed and finished the job in Iraq?  What if.....what if.....There's also no question that Saddam used chemical weapons, invaded his neighbors, was threatening us, and wouldn't let inspectors do their jobs.  Just let him run amok?  None of the blame Bush crowd ever seems to want to address those facts.

The politicians either didn't know or failed to explain how long and dirty and how much of a quagmire the entire deal would be which either makes them incompetent or negligent. 

 

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1 minute ago, SSFB said:

The politicians either didn't know or failed to explain how long and dirty and how much of a quagmire the entire deal would be which either makes them incompetent or negligent. 

 

they knew. I'm sure you've seen the vid of cheney making the predictions before we went in.

 

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Just now, Highmark said:

Yes and Obama didn't help.  

He was elected by campaigning to get us out of Iraq, and in fact many on the old FS bitched he didn't do it fast enough.

The violence in Iraq went down after the US left for a period of time had Maliki not been such a dick they may have been able to make it work. And who put up Maliki?

 

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21 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

what do you think was really behind it?

Fuck who knows....maybe the generals in his ear pushing for another war, Trumps own hubris and wanting to appear strong, aliens......whatever the reason it has created a fucking mess.

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1 minute ago, Biggie Smails said:

Fuck who knows....maybe the generals in his ear pushing for another war, Trumps own hubris and wanting to appear strong, aliens......whatever the reason it has created a fucking mess.

why is it so hard to believe this is all a scheme? this isn't really a "big mess", it's nothing more than talk.

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1 minute ago, Snoslinger said:

why is it so hard to believe this is all a scheme? this isn't really a "big mess", it's nothing more than talk.

It's not a big mess but just a scheme...you go with that.

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2 hours ago, DriftBusta said:

 

No argument there.  Still doesn't solve the issue of trying to contain the threats, which we are still doing.  What if Obama stayed and finished the job in Iraq?  What if.....what if.....There's also no question that Saddam used chemical weapons, invaded his neighbors, was threatening us, and wouldn't let inspectors do their jobs.  Just let him run amok?  None of the blame Bush crowd ever seems to want to address those facts.

Oh ffs.  

Thats how christianity started brah. Facts...

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2 hours ago, Highmark said:

That's complete bullshit.   The Iran-Iraq war while a small part a proxy war was nothing like we are seeing today.   Saddam invaded Iran because the revolution in Iran by the Shia Muslims easily could have spilled over into his country which has a larger percentage of Shia than Sunni.  Saddam also knew Iran's American weapons would not be replaced now because of the falling out with the US.   It was a war of opportunity and protect his ass from a shia revolution.

After the Iranian Revolution[edit]

Tensions between Iraq and Iran were fueled by Iran's Islamic revolution and its appearance of being a Pan-Islamic force, in contrast to Iraq's Arab nationalism. Despite Iraq's goals of regaining the Shatt al-Arab,[note 1] the Iraqi government seemed to initially welcome Iran's Revolution, which overthrew Iran's Shah, who was seen as a common enemy.[47][54] It is difficult to pinpoint when tensions began to build.

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqis to overthrow the Ba'ath government, which was received with considerable anger in Baghdad.[47] On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, Saddam gave a speech praising the Iranian Revolution and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs.[47] When Khomeini rejected Saddam's overture by calling for Islamic revolution[52]in Iraq, Saddam was alarmed.[47] Iran's new Islamic administration was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath government, especially because the Ba'ath party, having a secular nature, discriminated and posed a threat to the Shia movement in Iraq, whose clerics were Iran's allies within Iraq and whom Khomeini saw as oppressed.[47]

  

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22 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

Yeah she is a fucking turn off despite her giant cans. :lol:

If she was flat on her back , those cans would be rolling around her belly or armpits. She belongs on the "view " with all the other know nothing hen's.

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7 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said:

You're feelings are wrong.

She gave canned answers and she herself stated that she is happy to take the blame, Saddam took the ball and ran with it.

 

Even with the links his Republican logic won't allow him to see what happened.

6 hours ago, Anler said:

No mention of the Inquisition by Christians. Or the colonization of Mexico, Central and South America where they killed off most of the men, destroyed all of their religious artifacts and converted them to Catholicism? 

Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty.

In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that.

3 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

this whole fucking thing is a big scam, designed to make trump look like he's not in cahoots with putin. how much more obvious can it be? 

- day one, "syria is on their own, the US must stay out". days later, "we must intervene"

- chem weapons used on babies very bad, but carpet bombs used on babies ok.

- missile strike advertised to Russia and Syria before they happened

- lame targets hit, good targets missed, nothing towards actual chem weapons done, bombers taking off from airport the next day

 

man if a dem had acted in these manners, the rwws would be going nuts, rightfully so. now though, all is great and trump has big balls :lol:

 

 

Yep. But Trump know more than the Generals, ISIS will be gone in 30 days. Trust him. lol

3 hours ago, Biggie Smails said:

Is this a preview of your new talking point that will be brought up in every thread....awesome. 

What are your thoughts on the links to US giving permission to Saddam? You seemed willing to look at a different narrative than most Republicans.

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59 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

Even with the links his Republican logic won't allow him to see what happened.

Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty.

In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that.

Yep. But Trump know more than the Generals, ISIS will be gone in 30 days. Trust him. lol

What are your thoughts on the links to US giving permission to Saddam? You seemed willing to look at a different narrative than most Republicans.

After reading more of the links it sounds pretty credible that Ambasaador Glaspie under ordersJames Baker did just that...pretty fucking assinine as we then along many others had to go kick his ass out of Kuwait.

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1 hour ago, revkevsdi said:

Even with the links his Republican logic won't allow him to see what happened.

Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty.

In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that.

Yep. But Trump know more than the Generals, ISIS will be gone in 30 days. Trust him. lol

What are your thoughts on the links to US giving permission to Saddam? You seemed willing to look at a different narrative than most Republicans.

LMFAO!   Who do you think we (UN, NATO) fought to protect in Bosnia?  We weren't bombing Muslims.  

We helped Afg expel the Soviet Union.  

There are just as many times we've tried to help Muslims whether or not your blinders allow you to see that is debatable.  

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1 hour ago, revkevsdi said:

 

Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty.

In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that.

Well because Bosnia was Clinton's war. They cant give him any credit for anything. Still Bosnia was bullshit too. 

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