Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Nope and I think this missle strike was a stupid move. what do you think was really behind it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 10 hours ago, SSFB said: But there's zero question that the US invasion of Iraq destabilized the entire region and now there's even bigger boogeymen in the desert. Yes but it didn't have too. We fucked up going in and fucked up going out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: No argument there. Still doesn't solve the issue of trying to contain the threats, which we are still doing. What if Obama stayed and finished the job in Iraq? What if.....what if.....There's also no question that Saddam used chemical weapons, invaded his neighbors, was threatening us, and wouldn't let inspectors do their jobs. Just let him run amok? None of the blame Bush crowd ever seems to want to address those facts. Oh ffs. There was no way for that what if to occur, the SOFA agreement was worked out GWB and of course it was implemented when Barack was POTUS, but of course you know that the Maliki government was unyielding in there refusal to having US military personnel being exempt from Iraqi law, and of course there is no way we could have or should have allowed our military personnel to be subject to Iraqi law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yes but it didn't have too. We fucked up going in and fucked up going out. Fucked up at both ends by the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 12 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Do you know why that Iranian crazy Islamabadpajamas. Hated American so much? He was on the front line in the war between Iran and Iraq. Kind of pissed him off that one million Muslims died in a proxy war between the US and Russia. That's complete bullshit. The Iran-Iraq war while a small part a proxy war was nothing like we are seeing today. Saddam invaded Iran because the revolution in Iran by the Shia Muslims easily could have spilled over into his country which has a larger percentage of Shia than Sunni. Saddam also knew Iran's American weapons would not be replaced now because of the falling out with the US. It was a war of opportunity and protect his ass from a shia revolution. After the Iranian Revolution[edit] See also: Iranian Revolution, Iraq Invasion of Iran (1980), and Iranian Embassy siege Tensions between Iraq and Iran were fueled by Iran's Islamic revolution and its appearance of being a Pan-Islamic force, in contrast to Iraq's Arab nationalism. Despite Iraq's goals of regaining the Shatt al-Arab,[note 1] the Iraqi government seemed to initially welcome Iran's Revolution, which overthrew Iran's Shah, who was seen as a common enemy.[47][54] It is difficult to pinpoint when tensions began to build. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqis to overthrow the Ba'ath government, which was received with considerable anger in Baghdad.[47] On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, Saddam gave a speech praising the Iranian Revolution and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs.[47] When Khomeini rejected Saddam's overture by calling for Islamic revolution[52]in Iraq, Saddam was alarmed.[47] Iran's new Islamic administration was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath government, especially because the Ba'ath party, having a secular nature, discriminated and posed a threat to the Shia movement in Iraq, whose clerics were Iran's allies within Iraq and whom Khomeini saw as oppressed.[47] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, 1jkw said: Fucked up at both ends by the same guy. Yes and Obama didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: No argument there. Still doesn't solve the issue of trying to contain the threats, which we are still doing. What if Obama stayed and finished the job in Iraq? What if.....what if.....There's also no question that Saddam used chemical weapons, invaded his neighbors, was threatening us, and wouldn't let inspectors do their jobs. Just let him run amok? None of the blame Bush crowd ever seems to want to address those facts. The politicians either didn't know or failed to explain how long and dirty and how much of a quagmire the entire deal would be which either makes them incompetent or negligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, SSFB said: The politicians either didn't know or failed to explain how long and dirty and how much of a quagmire the entire deal would be which either makes them incompetent or negligent. they knew. I'm sure you've seen the vid of cheney making the predictions before we went in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: Yes and Obama didn't help. He was elected by campaigning to get us out of Iraq, and in fact many on the old FS bitched he didn't do it fast enough. The violence in Iraq went down after the US left for a period of time had Maliki not been such a dick they may have been able to make it work. And who put up Maliki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: what do you think was really behind it? Fuck who knows....maybe the generals in his ear pushing for another war, Trumps own hubris and wanting to appear strong, aliens......whatever the reason it has created a fucking mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Biggie Smails said: Fuck who knows....maybe the generals in his ear pushing for another war, Trumps own hubris and wanting to appear strong, aliens......whatever the reason it has created a fucking mess. why is it so hard to believe this is all a scheme? this isn't really a "big mess", it's nothing more than talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Snoslinger said: why is it so hard to believe this is all a scheme? this isn't really a "big mess", it's nothing more than talk. It's not a big mess but just a scheme...you go with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 2 hours ago, DriftBusta said: No argument there. Still doesn't solve the issue of trying to contain the threats, which we are still doing. What if Obama stayed and finished the job in Iraq? What if.....what if.....There's also no question that Saddam used chemical weapons, invaded his neighbors, was threatening us, and wouldn't let inspectors do their jobs. Just let him run amok? None of the blame Bush crowd ever seems to want to address those facts. Oh ffs. Thats how christianity started brah. Facts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 Megan McCain is a bigger war monger than her old man and Geraldo is actually making sense right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Highmark said: That's complete bullshit. The Iran-Iraq war while a small part a proxy war was nothing like we are seeing today. Saddam invaded Iran because the revolution in Iran by the Shia Muslims easily could have spilled over into his country which has a larger percentage of Shia than Sunni. Saddam also knew Iran's American weapons would not be replaced now because of the falling out with the US. It was a war of opportunity and protect his ass from a shia revolution. After the Iranian Revolution[edit] See also: Iranian Revolution, Iraq Invasion of Iran (1980), and Iranian Embassy siege Tensions between Iraq and Iran were fueled by Iran's Islamic revolution and its appearance of being a Pan-Islamic force, in contrast to Iraq's Arab nationalism. Despite Iraq's goals of regaining the Shatt al-Arab,[note 1] the Iraqi government seemed to initially welcome Iran's Revolution, which overthrew Iran's Shah, who was seen as a common enemy.[47][54] It is difficult to pinpoint when tensions began to build. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqis to overthrow the Ba'ath government, which was received with considerable anger in Baghdad.[47] On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, Saddam gave a speech praising the Iranian Revolution and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs.[47] When Khomeini rejected Saddam's overture by calling for Islamic revolution[52]in Iraq, Saddam was alarmed.[47] Iran's new Islamic administration was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath government, especially because the Ba'ath party, having a secular nature, discriminated and posed a threat to the Shia movement in Iraq, whose clerics were Iran's allies within Iraq and whom Khomeini saw as oppressed.[47] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwytohell Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I can't stand the sight of her or the garbage out of the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, hwytohell said: I can't stand the sight of her or the garbage out of the mouth. Yeah she is a fucking turn off despite her giant cans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 Bet they have "polls" all of a sudden showing a majority want to take out Assad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 Steve Dahl FTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwytohell Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Yeah she is a fucking turn off despite her giant cans. If she was flat on her back , those cans would be rolling around her belly or armpits. She belongs on the "view " with all the other know nothing hen's. Edited April 12, 2017 by hwytohell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: You're feelings are wrong. She gave canned answers and she herself stated that she is happy to take the blame, Saddam took the ball and ran with it. Even with the links his Republican logic won't allow him to see what happened. 6 hours ago, Anler said: No mention of the Inquisition by Christians. Or the colonization of Mexico, Central and South America where they killed off most of the men, destroyed all of their religious artifacts and converted them to Catholicism? Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty. In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that. 3 hours ago, Snoslinger said: this whole fucking thing is a big scam, designed to make trump look like he's not in cahoots with putin. how much more obvious can it be? - day one, "syria is on their own, the US must stay out". days later, "we must intervene" - chem weapons used on babies very bad, but carpet bombs used on babies ok. - missile strike advertised to Russia and Syria before they happened - lame targets hit, good targets missed, nothing towards actual chem weapons done, bombers taking off from airport the next day man if a dem had acted in these manners, the rwws would be going nuts, rightfully so. now though, all is great and trump has big balls Yep. But Trump know more than the Generals, ISIS will be gone in 30 days. Trust him. lol 3 hours ago, Biggie Smails said: Is this a preview of your new talking point that will be brought up in every thread....awesome. What are your thoughts on the links to US giving permission to Saddam? You seemed willing to look at a different narrative than most Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Most forget Iraq was a no fly zone enforced by the US Air Force before the invasion. So really Iraq was no threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 59 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Even with the links his Republican logic won't allow him to see what happened. Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty. In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that. Yep. But Trump know more than the Generals, ISIS will be gone in 30 days. Trust him. lol What are your thoughts on the links to US giving permission to Saddam? You seemed willing to look at a different narrative than most Republicans. After reading more of the links it sounds pretty credible that Ambasaador Glaspie under ordersJames Baker did just that...pretty fucking assinine as we then along many others had to go kick his ass out of Kuwait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted April 12, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, revkevsdi said: Even with the links his Republican logic won't allow him to see what happened. Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty. In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that. Yep. But Trump know more than the Generals, ISIS will be gone in 30 days. Trust him. lol What are your thoughts on the links to US giving permission to Saddam? You seemed willing to look at a different narrative than most Republicans. LMFAO! Who do you think we (UN, NATO) fought to protect in Bosnia? We weren't bombing Muslims. We helped Afg expel the Soviet Union. There are just as many times we've tried to help Muslims whether or not your blinders allow you to see that is debatable. Edited April 12, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, revkevsdi said: Of course not. Why would they want to make a comparison that finds Christians equally guilty. In modern times more ethnic cleansing was visited on Muslims than Christians in the Bosnian conflict. That never made the fox news narrative so Republicans don't know that. Well because Bosnia was Clinton's war. They cant give him any credit for anything. Still Bosnia was bullshit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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