Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, racer254 said: Stop being a cunt? Both sides hate outsiders, it ain't rocket science, but only one group is trying to do something about it. Others are falling in line believing the narratives. The minute Trump can't or doesn't run for potus in 24, you'll see how fast your group changes what they decide to do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: The minute Trump can't or doesn't run for potus in 24, you'll see how fast your group changes what they decide to do about it. So you don't consider yourself part of a group that wants the swamp removed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Again don't kid yourself. Trump wanted to get rid of the swamp. The others wanted nothing of the sort. Despite Trump appointing the biggest swamp creatures of all time to his cabinet? Pompeo, Bolton, Sessions, Mattis, Manafort... Bunch of outsiders 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Despite Trump appointing the biggest swamp creatures of all time to his cabinet? Pompeo, Bolton, Sessions, Mattis, Manafort... Bunch of outsiders I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, racer254 said: So you don't consider yourself part of a group that wants the swamp removed? This isnt a Netlix drama series bro. Nobody is coming in to tell the swamp to get out. its going to take something dramatic for that to happen and its not something most are willing to do or prepared for the results of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Despite Trump appointing the biggest swamp creatures of all time to his cabinet? Pompeo, Bolton, Sessions, Mattis, Manafort... Bunch of outsiders Here we go again. This has been discussed plenty of times and is not worth wasting the time if you are can't understand why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: So you don't consider yourself part of a group that wants the swamp removed? I'm a realist. All I want is accountability for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, racer254 said: Here we go again. This has been discussed plenty of times and is not worth wasting the time if you are can't understand why. Oh I know, it goes right over your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Anler said: This isnt a Netlix drama series bro. Nobody is coming in to tell the swamp to get out. its going to take something dramatic for that to happen and its not something most are willing to do or prepared for the results of that. Exactly. trump was the best shot at this. There is a reason there were problems with the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Steve753 said: I'm a realist. All I want is accountability for once. If you vote for a party sponsored candidate you are voting for the party and you arent going to get any of that. The party decides what goes on and they work for the corps and foreign countries that pay them, not you. You just fund their theft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: Exactly. trump was the best shot at this. There is a reason there were problems with the election. despite feeding the deep state with increased spending and growing the national debt $7 trillion + in 4 years? That is some 5d chess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Anler said: If you vote for a party sponsored candidate you are voting for the party and you arent going to get any of that. The party decides what goes on and they work for the corps and foreign countries that pay them, not you. You just fund their theft That's about it in a nutshell. It's fucking pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Anler said: If you vote for a party sponsored candidate you are voting for the party and you arent going to get any of that. The party decides what goes on and they work for the corps and foreign countries that pay them, not you. You just fund their theft Again, trump was the best shot at this. You are NEVER going to get someone in that isn't a "sponsored" candidate. We all need to understand that first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Anler said: despite feeding the deep state with increased spending and growing the national debt $7 trillion + in 4 years? That is some 5d chess The pandemic played a big part in that let's remember. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Anler said: despite feeding the deep state with increased spending and growing the national debt $7 trillion + in 4 years? That is some 5d chess What the fuck do you think is going to happen? 535 people and you think it is just going to stop with one person. Tell me something, you ever worked a place with 535 people? How easy is it to simply change the general direction or thought process of those people? Edited August 18, 2022 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, racer254 said: What the fuck do you think is going to happen? 535 people and you think it is just going to stop with one person. Tell me something, you ever worked a place with 535 people? How easy is it to simple change the general direction or thought process of those people? Have you ever belonged to a board or been a representative in a union? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: Have you ever belonged to a board or been a representative in a union? Yes, plenty. But never a board that has 535 people at almost the same level. Please tell me how you change the thought process of 535 people without making some friends and getting some people on your side? Edited August 18, 2022 by racer254 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, racer254 said: What the fuck do you think is going to happen? 535 people and you think it is just going to stop with one person. Tell me something, you ever worked a place with 535 people? How easy is it to simply change the general direction or thought process of those people? So what youre saying is Trump isnt going to drain the swamp. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Steve753 said: The pandemic played a big part in that let's remember. Lets also remember that Trump increased deficit spending over Obama in a growing economy despite saying he was going to do the opposite. And lets also remember who benefited the most from that pandemic spending and who gets to pay for it now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, racer254 said: Yes, plenty. Never a board that has 535 people at almost the same level. Please tell me how you change the thought process of 535 people without making some friends and getting some people on your side? So you know what kind of dirt bags these people usually are then. It's next to impossible to change them once they're in. Term limits is the only answer imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, Anler said: So what youre saying is Trump isnt going to drain the swamp. Thanks Do you understand why law enforcement goes undercover in crime syndicates? Do they make "friends" with criminals before arresting anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, racer254 said: Do you understand why law enforcement goes undercover in crime syndicates? Do they make "friends" with criminals before arresting anyone? sounds like a great future Netflix series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Anler said: If you vote for a party sponsored candidate you are voting for the party and you arent going to get any of that. The party decides what goes on and they work for the corps and foreign countries that pay them, not you. You just fund their theft There is simply no alternative other than working within the 2 party system we have now and trying to make changes that way. Yes it sucks but that's the hand we are currently dealt. Honestly if you can't see that one party is still far worse than the other than keep on pissing and moaning about everything on a obscure snowmobile site to make yourself feel like a rebel. Ask yourself what is the perfect platform of a 3rd or 4th party and what percentage of American's it really matches up with. A fiscally conservative but very socially liberal platform would not be as popular as you might think. A fiscally liberal and socially conservative (Neocon) would be even less popular. Down the middle on both won't attract much support either and honestly don't think it could exist. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Anler said: Lets also remember that Trump increased deficit spending over Obama in a growing economy despite saying he was going to do the opposite. And lets also remember who benefited the most from that pandemic spending and who gets to pay for it now. Come on dude....you know its not as simple as that. We all would have loved Trump to shut the govt down but doing that for any extended period of time eliminated any chance at reelection. COVID was a wildcard that played a massive role as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Anler said: sounds like a great future Netflix series But do you understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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