Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 13, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 This will trigger some here…. None going to landfills just like none of the current EV batteries at their end of life ending up in landfills. Redwood Materials To Recycle All Batteries From VW, Audi EVs In USA Tesla co-founder JB Straubel's company will remanufacture battery materials from VW and Audi EVs in a domestic supply chain. https://insideevs.com/news/598003/redwood-materials-recycle-all-batteries-vw-audi-evs-usa/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member 800renegaderider Posted July 13, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 Will they be recycling the ones on the ocean floor that set a cargo ship on fire and sunk it? https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-electric-cars-sinks-in-atlantic-ocean-after-fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 All EV batteries will be recycled like fork lift batteries have been for decades. EV owners will have the option to buy new batteries or a lower cost recycled one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 13, 2022 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: All EV batteries will be recycled like fork lift batteries have been for decades. EV owners will have the option to buy new batteries or a lower cost recycled one. I’m not sure recycling will be a cheaper solution…. The lithium batteries with each recycle becomes more pure and better. Old EV batteries are of huge value in the secondary and recycle industry due to the amount of materials they get and the better product it produces vs virgin material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, BOHICA said: I’m not sure recycling will be a cheaper solution…. The lithium batteries with each recycle becomes more pure and better. Old EV batteries are of huge value in the secondary and recycle industry due to the amount of materials they get and the better product it produces vs virgin material Either way they won’t be waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 13, 2022 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mainecat said: Either way they won’t be waste. They never have as there has always been huge value in them. People throw away AAA remote batteries and watch batteries but only financial retards would throw away EV batteries. Edited July 14, 2022 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: All EV batteries will be recycled like fork lift batteries have been for decades. EV owners will have the option to buy new batteries or a lower cost recycled one. Those are lead acid batteries in a fork truck which are just bigger version of a car battery. Car batteries have been recycled for decades now. Lithium batteries are a completely different animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 40 minutes ago, BOHICA said: I’m not sure recycling will be a cheaper solution…. The lithium batteries with each recycle becomes more pure and better. Old EV batteries are of huge value in the secondary and recycle industry due to the amount of materials they get and the better product it produces vs virgin material I am not sure the chemistry is the same. In lead acid batteries the lead develops an oxide on the surface that eventually kills the batteries ability to store voltage. When they melt the lead down the oxidation is removed as slag. I am not sure the same is true of lithium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 13, 2022 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: I am not sure the chemistry is the same. In lead acid batteries the lead develops an oxide on the surface that eventually kills the batteries ability to store voltage. When they melt the lead down the oxidation is removed as slag. I am not sure the same is true of lithium. Recycled Lithium ion batteries out perform batteries made with virgin material. It’s why current recyclers will give top dollar for old EV batteries and currently they can’t get enough of old Eav batteries to satisfy their recycle capacity and appetite. Such a huge amount of cells and a concentration of extremely valuable materials in a small package. https://www.discovery.com/motor/recycled-lithium-ion-batteries-are-outlasting-brand-new-ones A study found that lithium-ion batteries made with recycled cathodes outperformed batteries with cathodes made from “pristine materials.” The batteries made with recycled materials lasted for thousands of additional charging cycles more than their counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I would suggest to you young guys to start a business servicing ev batteries and rebuilding electric motors. Its the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted July 13, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: I would suggest to you young guys to start a business servicing ev batteries and rebuilding electric motors. Its the future. That's been happening for about 60-70+ years now..What planet do you live on?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted July 13, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: That's been happening for about 60-70+ years now..What planet do you live on?? Car specific electric motors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted July 13, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Car specific electric motors? Well there were not electric cars back then, but let's not be idiotic just to argue, it's an electric motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 https://stealthev.com/product/tesla-front-drive-unit/ definitely a future in rebuilding these!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, X2700 said: https://stealthev.com/product/tesla-front-drive-unit/ definitely a future in rebuilding these!! You see how much they get per battery used and old module? An S has 16 modules. so much recycle value in an entire Tesla that nobody with any brains throws them away in the dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Like to tear into one and see what makes her tick!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 hours ago, BOHICA said: Recycled Lithium ion batteries out perform batteries made with virgin material. It’s why current recyclers will give top dollar for old EV batteries and currently they can’t get enough of old Eav batteries to satisfy their recycle capacity and appetite. Such a huge amount of cells and a concentration of extremely valuable materials in a small package. https://www.discovery.com/motor/recycled-lithium-ion-batteries-are-outlasting-brand-new-ones A study found that lithium-ion batteries made with recycled cathodes outperformed batteries with cathodes made from “pristine materials.” The batteries made with recycled materials lasted for thousands of additional charging cycles more than their counterparts. That is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted July 14, 2022 Author Gold Member Share Posted July 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: That is interesting. It’s not new and well known. Think of EV batteries as nuke fuel and reprocessing the more it is reprocessed/recycled the more potent and it becomes. When their is enough recycled material from old used up EV batteries the recycled material will demand a premium. it’s why all these battery recyclers are fighting over old EV batteries currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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