Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 17, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 hours ago, f7ben said: I actually just watched a show where new models dispel the iron core theory. They now think the core is made from some super dense liquid that sloshes causing pole shift. They said the actual material composition is likely something we aren’t aware of at the moment. Wouldn't doubt it. The more I research oil as a renewable resource the more I buy into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, Highmark said: Wouldn't doubt it. The more I research oil as a renewable resource the more I buy into it. I pretty much subscribe to “who the fuck knows” .....but that said Science has solved a bunch of questions and religion has been wrong 100% of the time. So I’ll err on the side of science 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, f7ben said: I pretty much subscribe to “who the fuck knows” .....but that said Science has solved a bunch of questions and religion has been wrong 100% of the time. So I’ll err on the side of science Science as we know it is simulated. There is a God in our simulation, just as there is science, DNA and an earth's core. It's all a computer program. Notice how we keep getting hit with one supply chain issue after another? Covid and the borders closed, then the borders opened up and the ports were clogged with empty containers, then the awful war, then China is being overrun with Covid... it's one thing after another. That's because we're living in a simulation where someone or something is testing various scenarios to see how supply chain issues can be solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 17, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, f7ben said: I pretty much subscribe to “who the fuck knows” .....but that said Science has solved a bunch of questions and religion has been wrong 100% of the time. So I’ll err on the side of science Believe it or not while religion has caused much conflict in the history of the world its also greatly responsible for the positive morality that also keeps the world together in many ways. BTW "science" has also given is the covid virus (and God knows how many others) and nuclear weapons. Barring some other catastrophic event from outer space "science" is the most likely thing to wipe out mankind. Edited March 17, 2022 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Highmark said: Believe it or not while religion has caused much conflict in the history of the world its also greatly responsible for the positive morality that also keeps the world together in many ways. BTW "science" has also given is the covid virus (and God knows how many others) and nuclear weapons. Barring some other catastrophic event from outer space "science" is the most likely thing to wipe out mankind. I don’t feel like morality is rooted in divinity ....there are good people who act with virtue and dignity and empathy from every walk of life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 17, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 hours ago, f7ben said: I don’t feel like morality is rooted in divinity ....there are good people who act with virtue and dignity and empathy from every walk of life Absolutely but the majority of it is. Lots of evilness comes from religion as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Highmark said: Absolutely but the majority of it is. Lots of evilness comes from religion as well. Men are evil and used religion as a tool for control. It isn’t too much different now with governments essentially becoming a secular religion of sorts. You can even see it in people in real life that act like you’re some kind of evil heretic for disobeying their government of choice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Heck “science” is a religion to a lot of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 10:13 PM, ACE said: There’s no proof against it either. Because we still don’t even know what started the universe, or if it even had a beginning. As a self proclaimed "man of science" I'm quite surprised by your position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 17, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ACE said: Men are evil and used religion as a tool for control. It isn’t too much different now with governments essentially becoming a secular religion of sorts. You can even see it in people in real life that act like you’re some kind of evil heretic for disobeying their government of choice Yep. Religion = mankind. Always has been. Whether there is an existence of a God or not. As far as Christianity is concerned I don't think its debatable that Jesus was a real person. Was he the son of God? Who knows. But his followers turned his teachings into a religion. Suppose the same could be said about Islam and even Judaism. Very interesting that the 3 major religions of the world all started with one family. Edited March 17, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yep. Religion = mankind. Always has been. Whether there is an existence of a God or not. As far as Christianity is concerned I don't think its debatable that Jesus was a real person. Was he the son of God? Who knows. But his followers turned his teachings into a religion. Suppose the same could be said about Islam and even Judaism. Very interesting that the 3 major religions of the world all started with one family. Well Jesus teachings don’t even have to be a religion. They’re really just good lifestyle choices and in reality very little it is ritualistic dogma. It’s churches like the Catholics that turned it into an absolute abortion of a religion. but this again has nothing to do with the question of whether our universe was created by some entity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 17, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ACE said: Well Jesus teachings don’t even have to be a religion. They’re really just good lifestyle choices and in reality very little it is ritualistic dogma. It’s churches like the Catholics that turned it into an absolute abortion of a religion. but this again has nothing to do with the question of whether our universe was created by some entity Yep. Again churches = religion = mankind. A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals. Edited March 17, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rod Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, HSR said: That’s islamophobic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 17, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, ACE said: That’s islamophobic No, it's insetuous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 hours ago, ACE said: Men are evil and used religion as a tool for control. It isn’t too much different now with governments essentially becoming a secular religion of sorts. You can even see it in people in real life that act like you’re some kind of evil heretic for disobeying their government of choice Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 hours ago, ACE said: Men are evil and used religion as a tool for control. It isn’t too much different now with governments essentially becoming a secular religion of sorts. You can even see it in people in real life that act like you’re some kind of evil heretic for disobeying their government of choice Nailed it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nailed it. Eternal damnation for them!! 50 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nailed it again. Damn them twice!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soeaster Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 10:52 PM, p51mstg said: Science as we know it is simulated. There is a God in our simulation, just as there is science, DNA and an earth's core. It's all a computer program. Notice how we keep getting hit with one supply chain issue after another? Covid and the borders closed, then the borders opened up and the ports were clogged with empty containers, then the awful war, then China is being overrun with Covid... it's one thing after another. That's because we're living in a simulation where someone or something is testing various scenarios to see how supply chain issues can be solved. So basically we're in an elaborate version of "Oregon Trail"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 10:52 PM, p51mstg said: Science as we know it is simulated. There is a God in our simulation, just as there is science, DNA and an earth's core. It's all a computer program. Notice how we keep getting hit with one supply chain issue after another? Covid and the borders closed, then the borders opened up and the ports were clogged with empty containers, then the awful war, then China is being overrun with Covid... it's one thing after another. That's because we're living in a simulation where someone or something is testing various scenarios to see how supply chain issues can be solved. Our universe may have a twin that runs backward in time By Paul Sutter published 2 days ago An anti-universe running backwards in time could explain dark matter and cosmic inflation. If the universe has a twin and on that twin time runs backward, then scientists could explain dark matter. (Image credit: MARK GARLICK/SCIENCE PHOTO LIBRARY/Getty Images) A wild new theory suggests there may be another "anti-universe," running backward in time prior to the Big Bang. The idea assumes that the early universe was small, hot and dense — and so uniform that time looks symmetric going backward and forward. If true, the new theory means that dark matter isn't so mysterious; it's just a new flavor of a ghostly particle called a neutrino that can only exist in this kind of universe. And the theory implies there would be no need for a period of "inflation" that rapidly expanded the size of the young cosmos soon after the Big Bang. If true, then future experiments to hunt for gravitational waves, or to pin down the mass of neutrinos, could answer once and for all whether this mirror anti-universe exists. 0 seconds of 2 minutes, 54 secondsVolume 0% PLAY SOUND Preserving symmetry Physicists have identified a set of fundamental symmetries in nature. The three most important symmetries are: charge (if you flip the charges of all the particles involved in an interaction to their opposite charge, you'll get the same interaction); parity (if you look at the mirror image of an interaction, you get the same result); and time (if you run an interaction backward in time, it looks the same). Physical interactions obey most of these symmetries most of the time, which means that there are sometimes violations. But physicists have never observed a violation of a combination of all three symmetries at the same time. If you take every single interaction observed in nature and flip the charges, take the mirror image, and run it backward in time, those interactions behave exactly the same. This fundamental symmetry is given a name: CPT symmetry, for charge (C), parity (P) and time (T). Related: What is multiverse theory? In a new paper recently accepted for publication in the journal Annals of Physics, scientists propose extending this combined symmetry. Usually this symmetry only applies to interactions — the forces and fields that make up the physics of the cosmos. But perhaps, if this is such an incredibly important symmetry, it applies to the whole entire universe itself. In other words, this idea extends this symmetry from applying to just the "actors" of the universe (forces and fields) to the "stage" itself, the entire physical object of the universe. Creating dark matter We live in an expanding universe. This universe is filled with lots of particles doing lots of interesting things, and the evolution of the universe moves forward in time. If we extend the concept of CPT symmetry to our entire cosmos, then our view of the universe can't be the entire picture. Instead, there must be more. To preserve the CPT symmetry throughout the cosmos, there must be a mirror-image cosmos that balances out our own. This cosmos would have all opposite charges than we have, be flipped in the mirror, and run backward in time. Our universe is just one of a twin. Taken together, the two universes obey CPT symmetry. The study researchers next asked what the consequences of such a universe would be. They found many wonderful things. For one, a CPT-respecting universe naturally expands and fills itself with particles, without the need for a long-theorized period of rapid expansion known as inflation. While there's a lot of evidence that an event like inflation occurred, the theoretical picture of that event is incredibly fuzzy. It's so fuzzy that there is plenty of room for proposals of viable alternatives. Second, a CPT-respecting universe would add some additional neutrinos to the mix. There are three known neutrino flavors: the electron-neutrino, muon-neutrino and tau-neutrino. Strangely, all three of these neutrino flavors are left-handed (referring to the direction of its spin relative to its motion). All other particles known to physics have both left- and right-handed varieties, so physicists have long wondered if there are additional right-handed neutrinos. A CPT-respecting universe would demand the existence of at least one right-handed neutrino species. This species would be largely invisible to physics experiments, only ever influencing the rest of the universe through gravity. But an invisible particle that floods the universe and only interacts via gravity sounds a lot like dark matter. The researchers found that the conditions imposed by obeying CPT symmetry would fill our universe with right-handed neutrinos, enough to account for the dark matter. Predictions in the mirror We would never have access to our twin, the CPT-mirror universe, because it exists "behind" our Big Bang, before the beginning of our cosmos. But that doesn't mean we can't test this idea. The researchers found a few observational consequences of this idea. For one, they predict that the three known left-handed neutrino species should all be Majorana particles, which means that they are their own antiparticles (in contrast to normal particles like the electron, which have antimatter counterparts called the positrons). As of now, physicists aren't sure if neutrinos have this property or not. Additionally, they predict that one of the neutrino species should be massless. Currently, physicists can only place upper limits on the neutrino masses. If physicists can ever conclusively measure the neutrino masses, and one of them is indeed massless, that would greatly bolster the idea of a CPT-symmetric universe. Lastly, in this model the event of inflation never occurred. Instead, the universe filled with particles naturally on its own. Physicists believe that inflation shook space-time to such a tremendous degree that it flooded the cosmos with gravitational waves. Many experiments are on the hunt for these primordial gravitational waves. But in a CPT-symmetric universe, no such waves should exist. So if those searches for primordial gravitational waves turn up empty, that might be a clue that this CPT-mirror universe model is correct. Originally published on Live Science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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