ckf Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 As responsible gun owners we know to never point a gun toward anything unless we intend to pull the trigger. Rightfully so. We need to keep in mind that actors regularly do go against everything that we have learned about gun safety and point and pull the trigger at a person. I'm guessing that they depend on the experts on set to 'point them in the right direction' and do their job. Baldwin might loose some money in a civil suit, but I don't believe that he will ever get charged criminally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I’m sure Keanu checks every one of his rounds in his John Wick movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, akvanden said: I’m sure Keanu checks every one of his rounds in his John Wick movies. Lame, how many people has Keanu killed? Edited February 18, 2022 by Sleepr2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: Lame, how many people has Keanu killed? He killed 128 bad guys in John Wick 2. But in all serious all those kills remained only fictitious because the firearms expert did their job. Right? Or do you think he loads all his own magazines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 hunter safety course says over and over, treat all guns as if they were loaded 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, akvanden said: Yes, and that doesn’t answer the question. What’s the job of the weapons expert on set? Don’t they provide weapons and ammo? Someone hands you a gun and says it's not loaded, what's the first thing you do?? 2nd off the weapons expert had said repeatedly said and left the set for unsafe practices 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, ckf said: As responsible gun owners we know to never point a gun toward anything unless we intend to pull the trigger. Rightfully so. We need to keep in mind that actors regularly do go against everything that we have learned about gun safety and point and pull the trigger at a person. I'm guessing that they depend on the experts on set to 'point them in the right direction' and do their job. Baldwin might loose some money in a civil suit, but I don't believe that he will ever get charged criminally. correct, they are actors not gun experts. so while some may be an exception the norm is just doing what you are told. if there were going to be charges they would have done so. it was a tragic accident and there will be civil liability for the production company and alex and the armorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, akvanden said: He killed 128 bad guys in John Wick 2. But in all serious all those kills remained only fictitious because the firearms expert did their job. Right? Or do you think he loads all his own magazines? Your mental gymnastics are not surprising 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 37 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Someone hands you a gun and says it's not loaded, what's the first thing you do?? On the set of a movie? The weapons expert ensures everything firearm wise is being handled safely. On the back forty with your buddies? Guns are never pointed at someone, loaded or unloaded, period. 41 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: 2nd off the weapons expert had said repeatedly said and left the set for unsafe practices I don't know all the details, if unsafe practices were used, then by all means sue who needs to be sued. I'm just approaching it from the common sense stand point that the actors aren't responsible to load their own magazines so they can ensure every round is a blank. If irregularities happened, then common sense becomes a moot point. 1 hour ago, sleepybrew said: hunter safety course says over and over, treat all guns as if they were loaded Hunter safety course also says never to point your gun at someone, but we're not talking about hunting, we're talking about props on a set that are pointed at people all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: Your mental gymnastics are not surprising Ok, fine. Actors are responsible and need to load all their own rounds to ensure the weapons expert doesn't screw it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, akvanden said: On the set of a movie? The weapons expert ensures everything firearm wise is being handled safely. On the back forty with your buddies? Guns are never pointed at someone, loaded or unloaded, period. I don't know all the details, if unsafe practices were used, then by all means sue who needs to be sued. I'm just approaching it from the common sense stand point that the actors aren't responsible to load their own magazines so they can ensure every round is a blank. If irregularities happened, then common sense becomes a moot point. Hunter safety course also says never to point your gun at someone, but we're not talking about hunting, we're talking about props on a set that are pointed at people all the time. So because he is an actor handling a real gun with real ammo he should not be at fault?? Can you name any other career choice that makes you above the law and liability of the death of an innocent person.. And if you say politician I'm going to kick you in the nutz.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: So because he is an actor handling a real gun with real ammo he should not be at fault?? Can you name any other career choice that makes you above the law and liability of the death of an innocent person.. And if you say politician I'm going to kick you in the nutz.. No, because they're on a closed movie set who hired someone whose sole job is to ensure the safety. That's how it works. You don't think they should have a safety expert? Every actor responsible to load all their own rounds and ensure in proper working order? That's fine, I won't argue with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Let’s see they are actors from California. enough said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Should of been using plugged guns years ago!! You think Clint Eastwood checked all his guns? Doubt it!! why the hell they had live rounds even remotely close to set is plain stupid!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 18, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, akvanden said: No, because they're on a closed movie set who hired someone whose sole job is to ensure the safety. That's how it works. You don't think they should have a safety expert? Every actor responsible to load all their own rounds and ensure in proper working order? That's fine, I won't argue with you. You do know the safety expert quit right? Due to unsafe practices, then the took one of the crew and made her the safety expert who did not feel comfortable being the safety expert..Who does that fall upon, the producer correct? since they are in charge of the entire set..Do you know who the executive producer is?? I'll give you a hint..His first name starts with an A and his last name starts with a B.. Fuck the cast and crew had live rounds laying all over, the night before they were all boozing and shooting guns, one being the one Alex shot the woman with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: You do know the safety expert quit right? Due to unsafe practices, then the took one of the crew and made her the safety expert who did not feel comfortable being the safety expert..Who does that fall upon, the producer correct? since they are in charge of the entire set..Do you know who the executive producer is?? I'll give you a hint..His first name starts with an A and his last name starts with a B.. Fuck the cast and crew had live rounds laying all over, the night before they were all boozing and shooting guns, one being the one Alex shot the woman with I’ve already stated I don’t know all the particular details and an only speaking about normal circumstances. If you’re only speaking to the irregularities of this particular movie set, then by all means, find those and hold accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckf Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Angry ginger said: correct, they are actors not gun experts. so while some may be an exception the norm is just doing what you are told. if there were going to be charges they would have done so. it was a tragic accident and there will be civil liability for the production company and alex and the armorer. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, akvanden said: I’ve already stated I don’t know all the particular details and an only speaking about normal circumstances. If you’re only speaking to the irregularities of this particular movie set, then by all means, find those and hold accountable. You “don’t know all the particulars “ but seem ready to absolve the killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckf Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Sleepr2 said: You “don’t know all the particulars “ but seem ready to absolve the killer And you have him guilty just because you don't like the guy. Im He never should have gone against Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, ckf said: Bingo. The “gun expert “ quit the movie, I wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, ckf said: And you have him guilty just because you don't like the guy. Im He never should have gone against Trump I’m giving him the same benefit of the doubt that leftists gave Kim potter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: You “don’t know all the particulars “ but seem ready to absolve the killer Ha, ok. What would have been informative is after I get done saying "I'd think whomever loaded the gun would be responsible." you could then reply "well under normal circumstances, yes, BUT x, y, and z happened that negates that fact". Then I could be like, "cool, didn't know that" I'm glad we eventually got there, but it took longer than needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, akvanden said: Ha, ok. What would have been informative is after I get done saying "I'd think whomever loaded the gun would be responsible." you could then reply "well under normal circumstances, yes, BUT x, y, and z happened that negates that fact". Then I could be like, "cool, didn't know that" I'm glad we eventually got there, but it took longer than needed. Why isn’t lil Alex in jail like they did yo Kim potter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Sleepr2 said: Why isn’t lil Alex in jail like they did yo Kim potter? I don't know, but am looking forward to the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, akvanden said: I don't know, but am looking forward to the answer. So potter was taken into custody immediately but lil Alex is still free, which one is more of a flight risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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