02sled Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I mean, it's like you're either deliberately misunderstanding these concepts or just don't get it. You said it... you used the word CONCEPT. Your interpretation of the CONCEPT doesn't exist period. That is other than in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 The mere fact you have property ownership when others don't suggests a hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Highmark said: The mere fact you have property ownership when others don't suggests a hierarchy. Lol. Like I said, you are deliberately misinterpreting this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Well, it's both, so... Who says that's how they feel? Max wage laws would be a good stopgap to preventing the fall of capitalism Can they smoke weed on the job? Then they will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Highmark said: The mere fact you have property ownership when others don't suggests a hierarchy. Who is in charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Lol. Like I said, you are deliberately misinterpreting this stuff. No I actually think you are when it comes to land ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: No I actually think you are when it comes to land ownership. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Who is in charge? Best part is many of the protesters were paid. You know when you have to use capitalism to get your anarcho-communism point across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Nope. Its right in everything I've ever seen regarding anarcho-communism. No private ownership of land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: Its right in everything I've ever seen regarding anarcho-communism. No private ownership of land. Who says it's private? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Who says it's private? Could anyone who wants grow crops on your land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Highmark said: Best part is many of the protesters were paid. You know when you have to use capitalism to get your anarcho-communism point across. Oh yes, George Soros is a well known supporter of the anti capitalist black bloc. Edited January 23, 2017 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Could anyone who wants grow crops on your land? Not if it's already occupied by people already doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Not if it's already occupied by people already doing so. Why not? My crops are better and I need a place to grow them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Profit is surplus value of someone else's labor. Profit is not receiving the full value of your production/labor. sure the guy taking the risk should not make more than the worker bee who took none. Personal responsibility, sell your labor for what you want to make- if you can't decide if your the issue or the employer and it it's the employer get another job if it's you change it or live with what your skills are worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Why not? My crops are better and I need a place to grow them. Because it was mom and dads that's why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: sure the guy taking the risk should not make more than the worker bee who took none. Personal responsibility, sell your labor for what you want to make- if you can't decide if your the issue or the employer and it it's the employer get another job if it's you change it or live with what your skills are worth What you miss is that capitalism is always seeking to reduce its exposure to labor costs and that has a depressive effect on wages. This is the embedded self destruct button I've been talking about. 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Why not? My crops are better and I need a place to grow them. There is plenty of land to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, motonoggin said: What you miss is that capitalism is always seeking to reduce its exposure to labor costs and that has a depressive effect on wages. This is the embedded self destruct button I've been talking about. There is plenty of land to go around. Capitalism is seeking to reduce all input costs not just labor. This benefits the worker when he buys goods/services. You cannot be equal when some own more stuff than others. If you or my family own land we are at a distinct advantage to those that don't. Edited January 23, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, Highmark said: Capitalism is seeking to reduce all input costs not just labor. This benefits the worker when he buys goods/services. You cannot be equal when some own more stuff than others. If you or my family own land we are at a distinct advantage to those that don't. Yes, of course, lower worker wages helps workers. How could I forget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Highmark said: Capitalism is seeking to reduce all input costs not just labor. This benefits the worker when he buys goods/services. You cannot be equal when some own more stuff than others. If you or my family own land we are at a distinct advantage to those that don't. Who says everyone doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Yes, of course, lower worker wages helps workers. How could I forget? Some people it does. If your labor value continues to rise and the products you buy increase in price at a slower rate then yes it benefits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 23, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Who says everyone doesn't? Just admit it moto. Your a anarcho-communist with everything except the family farm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Some people it does. If your labor value continues to rise and the products you buy increase in price at a slower rate then yes it benefits you. At the expense of other workers. That's why there is no ethical consumption under capitalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yep moto is being redicalized, someone should be watching him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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