ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: Yep . Or managed al all would have been nice Yea no shit. China will love buying one of each of that stuff. We owned the night against enemies before ...not now after all the night vision we left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: I was being nice. I said before it was a colossal clusterfuck. Worst defeat in American history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: Worst defeat in American history. Worse administration in American history......but no more mean tweets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Biden just weakened the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Imbeciles at “woke” levels. These are the same imbeciles that complain about the US taxpayers having guns. OMG. Can you imagine? Remember fast and furious. Can you imagine if we just put all this on the US/Mexican border? Do you think the US Military would ever bring that stuff back for the US Taxpayer to buy? Fuck no. But hey lets leave it for known terrorists. Only a fucking no mind liberal would run cover for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: Worst defeat in American history. I don't see it that way. Vietnam was 10x's worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, toslow said: Biden just weakened the US In a huge way. Our G7 allies all are in disbelief even. China is openly mocking us. 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: I don't see it that way. Vietnam was 10x's worse. We won the battles in Nam. We flat out lost here - plus they took enough gear to outfit a full country army. Its not over yet either. Going to get way worse... On top of that - terrorist are inbound here. They arrested one known one so far on a flight here. Biden will probably have him released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, racer254 said: These are the same imbeciles that complain about the US taxpayers having guns. OMG. Can you imagine? Remember fast and furious. Can you imagine if we just put all this on the US/Mexican border? Do you think the US Military would ever bring that stuff back for the US Taxpayer to buy? Fuck no. But hey lets leave it for known terrorists. Only a fucking no mind liberal would run cover for this. 81 million of them!!! 13 minutes ago, Highmark said: I don't see it that way. Vietnam was 10x's worse. I guess it depends on how you view the numbers but, it shares some similarities for sure. One thing is the same; the people we were over the “fighting for” didn’t care one way or another who they were gonna be riled by in the end. Add in liberal twatism via hippies and protestors and It’s a no-win and was from the very start. 6 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: In a huge way. Our G7 allies all are in disbelief even. China is openly mocking us. We won the battles in Nam. We flat out lost here - plus they took enough gear to outfit a full country army. Its not over yet either. Going to get way worse... On top of that - terrorist are inbound here. They arrested one known one so far on a flight here. Biden will probably have him released. We won near every battle in Afghanistan also. Decidedly but, again, for what? For whom? These goat fuckers don’t really care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: In a huge way. Our G7 allies all are in disbelief even. China is openly mocking us. We won the battles in Nam. We flat out lost here - plus they took enough gear to outfit a full country army. Its not over yet either. Going to get way worse... On top of that - terrorist are inbound here. They arrested one known one so far on a flight here. Biden will probably have him released. We lost almost 50,000 soldiers in Vietnam and likely killed over a million. When we left we had supplied an Army much larger than what we did in Afghanistan. The Taliban is worse for their own people than they are for US safety. Sure they allowed AQ to set up training camps of which had plenty to do with 9/11 however they never took responsibility for attacks themselves around the world of which Islamic extremist's always do. Let's face it lots of countries that supported the 9/11 terrorists in the open and behind the scene's got a free pass including S.A. https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/29/archives/arms-left-by-us-loss-by-saigon-force-called-catastrophic-1billion.html Edited August 25, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zambroski said: 81 million of them!!! I guess it depends on how you view the numbers but, it shares some similarities for sure. One thing is the same; the people we were over the “fighting for” didn’t care one way or another who they were gonna be riled by in the end. Add in liberal twatism via hippies and protestors and It’s a no-win and was from the very start. We won near every battle in Afghanistan also. Decidedly but, again, for what? For whom? These goat fuckers don’t really care. The Taliban won the final battle & we surrendered. That means the whole 20 yr war is a loss. 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: We lost almost 50,000 soldiers in Vietnam and likely killed over a million. When we left we had supplied an Army much larger than what we did in Afghanistan. The Taliban is worse for their own people than they are for US safety. Sure they allowed AQ to set up training camps of which had plenty to do with 9/11 however they never took responsibility for attacks themselves around the world of which Islamic extremist's always do. Let's face it lots of countries that supported the 9/11 terrorists in the open and behind the scene's got a free pass including S.A. https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/29/archives/arms-left-by-us-loss-by-saigon-force-called-catastrophic-1billion.html See above. We didn't leave Americans behind in Nam either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: The Taliban won the final battle & we surrendered. That means the whole 20 yr war is a loss. See above. We didn't leave Americans behind in Nam either. The north and communism didn't prevail in Vietnam? I agree on the bold. I'm sure there were some but not to the extent in Afghanistan. For some American civilians there they should have started leaving when Trump announced he was pulling out. To some extent some of the people stuck there need to look in the mirror. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-withdraws-from-vietnam Two months after the signing of the Vietnam peace agreement, the last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam as Hanoi frees the remaining American prisoners of war held in North Vietnam. America’s direct eight-year intervention in the Vietnam War was at an end. In Saigon, some 7,000 U.S. Department of Defense civilian employees remained behind to aid South Vietnam in conducting what looked to be a fierce and ongoing war with communist North Vietnam. In reality, however, the agreement was little more than a face-saving gesture by the U.S. government. Even before the last American troops departed on March 29, the communists violated the cease-fire, and by early 1974 full-scale war had resumed. At the end of 1974, South Vietnamese authorities reported that 80,000 of their soldiers and civilians had been killed in fighting during the year, making it the most costly of the Vietnam War. Edited August 25, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 you realize most of that was aid we provided for the afghan army we trained under 4 administrations right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Phenom said: Look at the real history of the Taliban. They were never terrorists outside of their own area. The problem we had was their human rights actions and that they allowed actual terrorist organizations specifically al-Qaeda and wouldn’t give them up. Fast forward 20 years. Human rights under the Taliban will still suck, but what is in their best interest long term. It definitely is not harboring terrorist groups and already partnering with the US against their mutual enemy ISIS-K. Im not saying this will make for a match made in heaven, but the Taliban being more of an ally in this region is a lot better than them being a mortal enemy for both the US and them. The taliban are going to be quite busy battling the various factions in Afghanistan. It’s one thing to move into an area. It’s something completely different to own it. They’ll never own it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Highmark said: The north and communism didn't prevail in Vietnam? I agree on the bold. I'm sure there were some but not to the extent in Afghanistan. For some American civilians there they should have started leaving when Trump announced he was pulling out. To some extent some of the people stuck there need to look in the mirror. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-withdraws-from-vietnam Two months after the signing of the Vietnam peace agreement, the last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam as Hanoi frees the remaining American prisoners of war held in North Vietnam. America’s direct eight-year intervention in the Vietnam War was at an end. In Saigon, some 7,000 U.S. Department of Defense civilian employees remained behind to aid South Vietnam in conducting what looked to be a fierce and ongoing war with communist North Vietnam. In reality, however, the agreement was little more than a face-saving gesture by the U.S. government. Even before the last American troops departed on March 29, the communists violated the cease-fire, and by early 1974 full-scale war had resumed. At the end of 1974, South Vietnamese authorities reported that 80,000 of their soldiers and civilians had been killed in fighting during the year, making it the most costly of the Vietnam War. I posted all of that a few days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: The Taliban won the final battle & we surrendered. That means the whole 20 yr war is a loss. See above. We didn't leave Americans behind in Nam either. Yes, like the World Series, if you don’t win the last game, it doesn’t matter. Still, numbers and statistics can change the outlook. We damn near wiped out an entire generation of men in Vietnam. That’s impressive. Our kill ratios were out of this world. Even though we left, the world took notice of the destruction we can bring. Sadly, DC also started learning how to refine their money and power using the MIC. We also left plenty behind in Vietnam. Have you lost your mind? 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: The north and communism didn't prevail in Vietnam? I agree on the bold. I'm sure there were some but not to the extent in Afghanistan. For some American civilians there they should have started leaving when Trump announced he was pulling out. To some extent some of the people stuck there need to look in the mirror. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-withdraws-from-vietnam Two months after the signing of the Vietnam peace agreement, the last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam as Hanoi frees the remaining American prisoners of war held in North Vietnam. America’s direct eight-year intervention in the Vietnam War was at an end. In Saigon, some 7,000 U.S. Department of Defense civilian employees remained behind to aid South Vietnam in conducting what looked to be a fierce and ongoing war with communist North Vietnam. In reality, however, the agreement was little more than a face-saving gesture by the U.S. government. Even before the last American troops departed on March 29, the communists violated the cease-fire, and by early 1974 full-scale war had resumed. At the end of 1974, South Vietnamese authorities reported that 80,000 of their soldiers and civilians had been killed in fighting during the year, making it the most costly of the Vietnam War. Inept fighters. I remember my old man telling me that the ARVN Soldiers tasked with overwatch in the gun towers were to be told once to give the guns up to American soldiers in the case of attack. If there was any hesitation they were shot in the head twice….and immediately. Yuh…a fighting force instilling confidence for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: The Taliban won the final battle & we surrendered. That means the whole 20 yr war is a loss. See above. We didn't leave Americans behind in Nam either. You should of been there and changed the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: You should of been there and changed the outcome. When the civil war breaks out here- I hope somebody gets a vid of you taking a slug to the forehead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Highmark said: The north and communism didn't prevail in Vietnam? I agree on the bold. I'm sure there were some but not to the extent in Afghanistan. For some American civilians there they should have started leaving when Trump announced he was pulling out. To some extent some of the people stuck there need to look in the mirror. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-withdraws-from-vietnam Two months after the signing of the Vietnam peace agreement, the last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam as Hanoi frees the remaining American prisoners of war held in North Vietnam. America’s direct eight-year intervention in the Vietnam War was at an end. In Saigon, some 7,000 U.S. Department of Defense civilian employees remained behind to aid South Vietnam in conducting what looked to be a fierce and ongoing war with communist North Vietnam. In reality, however, the agreement was little more than a face-saving gesture by the U.S. government. Even before the last American troops departed on March 29, the communists violated the cease-fire, and by early 1974 full-scale war had resumed. At the end of 1974, South Vietnamese authorities reported that 80,000 of their soldiers and civilians had been killed in fighting during the year, making it the most costly of the Vietnam War. The optics on Nam are different. It was a disaster on many levels - but nothing compared to this on how we look. The Taliban are completely calling the shots here & we surrendered, with thousands Americans trapped behind enemy lines (unless something drastic changes). Its going to get worse too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Zam - who did we leave behind in Nam ...Pow's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, ford_428cj said: The optics on Nam are different. It was a disaster on many levels - but nothing compared to this on how we look. The Taliban are completely calling the shots here & we surrendered, with thousands Americans trapped behind enemy lines (unless something drastic changes). Its going to get worse too... Agree to disagree. Allowing communism a clear victory in the mid 70's was not exactly popular with free societies. There was a lot of fear of what else would fall to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ford_428cj said: Zam - who did we leave behind in Nam ...Pow's? Yes, and plenty of civilian contractors and personnel also….along with their families for various reasons. I’m not saying any of it is right at all and I’m certainly not saying what this completely inept admin is doing is right either. Biden’s entire cabinet is completely and utterly inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Agree to disagree. Allowing communism a clear victory in the mid 70's was not exactly popular with free societies. There was a lot of fear of what else would fall to it. One thing I always wondered about. Why did we care so much about communism then? Wgaf if Nam is communist imo. Now we kiss communist China's ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Agree to disagree. Allowing communism a clear victory in the mid 70's was not exactly popular with free societies. There was a lot of fear of what else would fall to it. Let's see how it plays out watching them torture, rape & murder the Americans we leave behind in the coming weeks. 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Yes, and plenty of civilian contractors and personnel also….along with their families for various reasons. I’m not saying any of it is right at all and I’m certainly not saying what this completely inept admin is doing is right either. Biden’s entire cabinet is completely and utterly inept. Wasn't aware of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 25, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: One thing I always wondered about. Why did we care so much about communism then? Wgaf if Nam is communist imo. Now we kiss communist China's ass. Knowledge of the brutality of what went on in the Soviet Union. Because they were on the winning side in WW2 they got a free pass. Reality is so did Japan however Japan's brutality didn't continue after the war like it did in the USSR. Edited August 25, 2021 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, ford_428cj said: Let's see how it plays out watching them torture, rape & murder the Americans we leave behind in the coming weeks. It’s my guess our media will be put on notice and YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and all others will work hard to limit our exposure to save their idiot king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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