Warning lights are flashing for Democrats as they prepare to impeach Trump

[Pete]

 

(CNN)Some time later today -- maybe MUCH later today -- the House will vote to impeach President Donald Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress -- both tied to his actions around a July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky.

Even as the House prepares for the historic vote, however, there's growing evidence that the public impeachment proceedings in the House against Trump may actually be helping him politically.

 

 

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Take a new Gallup poll released Wednesday morning, which shows two things happening since House Democrats, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, opened up a formal impeachment inquiry in October regarding Trump's conduct with Zelensky:

1) Trump's job approval rating has gone from 39% to 45%

2) Support for Trump's impeachment and removal has dipped from 52% to 46%.

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Those results largely affirm other data out over the past week or so that suggest support for impeachment has dipped. In a CNN national poll released earlier this week, 45% said they supported the impeachment and removal of the President -- down from 50% who said the same in a mid-November CNN survey. That same poll showed opposition to impeachment/removal at 46%, up 4 points from mid-November. And a CNN "poll of polls" -- an average of all six most recent quality/credible national polling conducted between December 4 and December 15 -- showed 46% favored impeachment and removal as compared to 49% who did not.

<img alt="The key number you need to remember about Trump's impeachment polls" class="media__image" src="//cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170102084935-donald-trump-new-portrait-large-169.jpg">

The key number you need to remember about Trump's impeachment polls

Now, as I have noted previously, these numbers are not "good" for Trump -- as he so often takes to Twitter to proclaim. Compared to recent past presidents -- including Bill Clinton, who actually was impeached -- a significantly lager chunk of the public now favors Trump's removal than ever felt that way about Clinton, Barack Obama or George W. Bush. In fact, Trump's current numbers on impeachment are most similar to those of Richard Nixon in the spring of 1974. (Articles of impeachment on Nixon were approved by the House Judiciary Committee but never came to a floor vote because Nixon resigned first.)

But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. The change in public opinion is slight, yes. And it may well be temporary. But for the moment, it's the sort of thing that has to make Democrats a little (and maybe more than a little) nervous about the path they have chosen.

Remember this: Pelosi did not want to go down the impeachment path. She stood athwart her party over the summer as more and more of her Democratic members announced their support for an impeachment inquiry over Trump's conduct in connection to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Her concern, which she voiced publicly and privately, was that a partisan impeachment -- one without significant bipartisan support -- would too bitterly divide the country to make it worth doing.

Here's exactly what Pelosi told The Washington Post magazine on that very topic:

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it."

That all changed in the fall, when a whistleblower complaint regarding Trump's actions on that July 25 call surfaced. It rapidly became clear that Trump's behavior on the call was a dam-breaker -- Pelosi could no longer stand in the way of the momentum within her caucus to move toward impeaching the President.

But simply because Pelosi acquiesced to that inexorable momentum does not mean that her concerns about the politics of impeachment had changed. What Pelosi knew then -- and knows now -- is that impeachment is a chaos-creator in the American electorate. There is simply no certainty about how the voters -- particularly the small number of independent and/or undecided voters -- will react to all of this.

And the early returns -- emphasis on the word "early" -- have to make Democrats worried.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/impeachment-polling-donald-trump/index.html

[Cold War]

Couldn’t of picked a worse time to do it.  
Most of Americans are gearing up for friends, family & joyful times...    others are struggling to not  kill themselves .  Either way, no cares but the loons.  

Edited December 18, 2019 by Cold War

[Zambroski]

37 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

(CNN)Some time later today -- maybe MUCH later today -- the House will vote to impeach President Donald Trump for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress -- both tied to his actions around a July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky.

Even as the House prepares for the historic vote, however, there's growing evidence that the public impeachment proceedings in the House against Trump may actually be helping him politically.

 

 

In each episode of his weekly YouTube show, Chris Cillizza will delve a little deeper into the surreal world of politics. Click to subscribe!

 

Take a new Gallup poll released Wednesday morning, which shows two things happening since House Democrats, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, opened up a formal impeachment inquiry in October regarding Trump's conduct with Zelensky:

1) Trump's job approval rating has gone from 39% to 45%

2) Support for Trump's impeachment and removal has dipped from 52% to 46%.

Read More

Those results largely affirm other data out over the past week or so that suggest support for impeachment has dipped. In a CNN national poll released earlier this week, 45% said they supported the impeachment and removal of the President -- down from 50% who said the same in a mid-November CNN survey. That same poll showed opposition to impeachment/removal at 46%, up 4 points from mid-November. And a CNN "poll of polls" -- an average of all six most recent quality/credible national polling conducted between December 4 and December 15 -- showed 46% favored impeachment and removal as compared to 49% who did not.

<img alt="The key number you need to remember about Trump's impeachment polls" class="media__image" src="//cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170102084935-donald-trump-new-portrait-large-169.jpg">

The key number you need to remember about Trump's impeachment polls

Now, as I have noted previously, these numbers are not "good" for Trump -- as he so often takes to Twitter to proclaim. Compared to recent past presidents -- including Bill Clinton, who actually was impeached -- a significantly lager chunk of the public now favors Trump's removal than ever felt that way about Clinton, Barack Obama or George W. Bush. In fact, Trump's current numbers on impeachment are most similar to those of Richard Nixon in the spring of 1974. (Articles of impeachment on Nixon were approved by the House Judiciary Committee but never came to a floor vote because Nixon resigned first.)

But what the trend line in recent weeks suggests is that the intense focus on impeachment has marginally helped, not hurt Trump. The change in public opinion is slight, yes. And it may well be temporary. But for the moment, it's the sort of thing that has to make Democrats a little (and maybe more than a little) nervous about the path they have chosen.

Remember this: Pelosi did not want to go down the impeachment path. She stood athwart her party over the summer as more and more of her Democratic members announced their support for an impeachment inquiry over Trump's conduct in connection to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Her concern, which she voiced publicly and privately, was that a partisan impeachment -- one without significant bipartisan support -- would too bitterly divide the country to make it worth doing.

Here's exactly what Pelosi told The Washington Post magazine on that very topic:

"Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it."

That all changed in the fall, when a whistleblower complaint regarding Trump's actions on that July 25 call surfaced. It rapidly became clear that Trump's behavior on the call was a dam-breaker -- Pelosi could no longer stand in the way of the momentum within her caucus to move toward impeaching the President.

But simply because Pelosi acquiesced to that inexorable momentum does not mean that her concerns about the politics of impeachment had changed. What Pelosi knew then -- and knows now -- is that impeachment is a chaos-creator in the American electorate. There is simply no certainty about how the voters -- particularly the small number of independent and/or undecided voters -- will react to all of this.

And the early returns -- emphasis on the word "early" -- have to make Democrats worried.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/impeachment-polling-donald-trump/index.html

I watched a little of the statement ringing this morning.  Dems taking it in the face HARD again.  I just flipped it off.  It’s just moronic.

[Skidooski]

In the end the only ones who actually care are the Hillary supporters who have perpetual butthurt

[Carlos Danger]

The Dems are no longer coehearent.

[Zambroski]

5 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

In the end the only ones who actually care are the Hillary supporters who have perpetual butthurt

Exactly.  Saw some impeachment protesters (advocates) pictures...many carrying “resist” signs.

Retards.

1 minute ago, Carlos Danger said:

The Dems are no longer coehearent.

I can’t help but wonder if they want to zip this thing through and get it behind them like a bad dream.  However, I think the Senate is going to filet the entire Dem party open and smoke them for months.  I’ll just laugh.

is it considered hard to outsmart the Dems in DC now?  I don’t see how.

 

[steve from amherst]

Was a stupid move from the beginning. They will impeach him and the senate will aquit him. Then he will believe he is bullproof and become more dangerous then he is now. He dosnt have the personality to be humbled by this action.

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, steve from amherst said:

Was a stupid move from the beginning. They will impeach him and the senate will aquit him. Then he will believe he is bullproof and become more dangerous then he is now. He dosnt have the personality to be humbled by this action.

Well, the Senate is going to start kicking over Stones the Dems don’t want kicked.  That’s why Comey and gang are trying to get out in front of this now.  Page was on Maddow explaining herself last night..I mean  

The Dems have decided that our woefully inadequate two-party system is one too many so, they are taking themselves out of the game.  Total retardation.

 

[Carlos Danger]

4 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

Was a stupid move from the beginning. They will impeach him and the senate will aquit him. Then he will believe he is bullproof and become more dangerous then he is now. He dosnt have the personality to be humbled by this action.

Wait till he gets on the campaign trail in some of these Dem reps districts. Trump is Rich because he is relentless and he is president for nearly the same reason. Some of these reps are going to have to live in their districts come the end of summer.

[steve from amherst]

1 minute ago, Carlos Danger said:

Wait till he gets on the campaign trail in some of these Dem reps districts. Trump is Rich because he is relentless and he is president for nearly the same reason. Some of these reps are going to have to live in their districts come the end of summer.

One already jumped ship and is becoming a repub.

[Cold War]

20 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Exactly.  Saw some impeachment protesters (advocates) pictures...many carrying “resist” signs.

Retards.

 

 

Had some clips on the news .....  what a bunch of goofballs . 

[Pete]

Poor miss Pelosi 

 

Here's exactly what Pelosi told The Washington Post magazine on that very topic:

 "Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it."

well miss Pelosi, apparently he is worth the fight you fucking hypocrite 

Edited December 18, 2019 by Pete

[Carlos Danger]

1 minute ago, steve from amherst said:

One already jumped ship and is becoming a repub.

I think it would be unlikely that the house flips but time will tell. Durham's perp walks should be right around August to early September.

[Angry ginger]

13 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

Was a stupid move from the beginning. They will impeach him and the senate will aquit him. Then he will believe he is bullproof and become more dangerous then he is now. He dosnt have the personality to be humbled by this action.

don't you talk bad about orange jesus-  god sent him to save us

[steve from amherst]

Just now, Angry ginger said:

don't you talk bad about orange jesus-  god sent him to save us

I don't need saving.  I have my religion.