spin_dry Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Oh look. Another US soldier that trump followers can denigrate. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/army-officer-on-white-house-staff-reported-concerns-on-trumps-ukraine-dealings/ar-AAJuZ02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 His uncles , sister in laws , cousins told him..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Sleepr2 said: His uncles , sister in laws , cousins told him..... I’m sure you guys will find something to smear him with. After all, he’s talking about your king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, spin_dry said: I’m sure you guys will find something to smear him with. After all, he’s talking about your king. And you put shiftys imaginary whistle blower on a pedestal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, Sleepr2 said: And you put shiftys imaginary whistle blower on a pedestal. It’s so far beyond needing a whistle blower at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 LOL! “Somebody close to the source that’s an army officer has concerns about Trump” CNN and TDS Sufferers all like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 He was on the call and will testify tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mainecat said: He was on the call and will testify tomorrow. Jesus fucking Christ! Was this a WH party line or wut? You are all so fucking brainless. So, after this “testification”, then the vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Jesus fucking Christ! Was this a WH party line or wut? You are all so fucking brainless. So, after this “testification”, then the vote? Still premature to vote. Rotisserie effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: Still premature to vote. Rotisserie effect Oh. That’s right. “Payshentz”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Oh. That’s right. “Payshentz”. I enjoy Schiff. He’s like a liberal Gowdy. They even look alike with that pinched, weasel face. Like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: I enjoy Schiff. He’s like a liberal Gowdy. They even look alike with that pinched, weasel face. Like you. Schiff is a lying, butt hurt imbecile. He’s a perfect face for your party....a little mouse rat. I don’t worry about you or him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, spin_dry said: Oh look. Another US soldier that trump followers can denigrate. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/army-officer-on-white-house-staff-reported-concerns-on-trumps-ukraine-dealings/ar-AAJuZ02 Bone Spurs vs a decorated Iraq war vet with Purple Heart. Bone Spurs so worried about Joe Biden Quote WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior. Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times. He will be the first White House official to testify who listened in on the July 25 telephone call between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine that is at the center of the impeachment inquiry, in which Mr. Trump asked Mr. Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine,” Colonel Vindman said in his statement. “I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.” Burisma Holdings is an energy company on whose board Mr. Biden’s son served while his father was vice president. “This would all undermine U.S. national security,” Colonel Vindman added, referring to Mr. Trump’s comments in the call. The colonel, a Ukrainian-American immigrant who received a Purple Heart after being wounded in Iraq by a roadside bomb and whose statement is full of references to duty and patriotism, could be a more difficult witness to dismiss than his civilian counterparts. “I am a patriot,” Colonel Vindman plans to tell the investigators, “and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend our country irrespective of party or politics.” He was to be interviewed privately on Tuesday by the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Reform Committees, in defiance of a White House edict not to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. The colonel, who is represented by Michael Volkov, a former federal prosecutor, declined to comment for this article. In his testimony, Colonel Vindman plans to say that he is not the whistle-blower who initially reported Mr. Trump’s pressure campaign on Ukraine. But he will provide an account that corroborates and fleshes out crucial elements in that complaint, which prompted Democrats to open their impeachment investigation. “I did convey certain concerns internally to national security officials in accordance with my decades of experience and training, sense of duty, and obligation to operate within the chain of command,” he plans to say. He will testify that he watched with alarm as “outside influencers” began pushing a “false narrative” about Ukraine that was counter to the consensus view of American national security officials, and harmful to United States interests. According to documents reviewed by The Times on the eve of his congressional testimony, Colonel Vindman was concerned as he discovered that Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, was leading an effort to prod Kiev to investigate Mr. Biden’s son, and to discredit efforts to investigate Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and his business dealings in Ukraine. His account strongly suggests that he may have been among the aides the whistle-blower referred to in his complaint when he wrote that White House officials had recounted the conversation between Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky to him, and “were deeply disturbed by what had transpired in the phone call.” Colonel Vindman did not interact directly with the president, but was present for a series of conversations that shed light on his pressure campaign on Ukraine. He will also testify that he confronted Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union, the day the envoy spoke in a White House meeting with Ukrainian officials about “Ukraine delivering specific investigations in order to secure the meeting with the president.” Even as he expressed alarm about the pressure campaign, the colonel and other officials worked to keep the United States relationship with Ukraine on track. At the direction of his superiors at the National Security Council, including John R. Bolton, then the national security adviser, Colonel Vindman drafted a memorandum in mid-August that sought to restart security aid that was being withheld from Ukraine, but Mr. Trump refused to sign it, according to documents reviewed by the Times. And he drafted a letter in May congratulating Mr. Zelensky on his inauguration, but Mr. Trump did not sign that either, according to the documents. Colonel Vindman was concerned after he learned that the White House budget office had taken the unusual step of withholding the $391 million package of security assistance for Ukraine that had been approved by Congress. At least one previous witness has testified that Mr. Trump directed that the aid be frozen until he could secure a commitment from Mr. Zelensky to announce an investigation of the Bidens. While Colonel Vindman’s concerns were shared by a number of other officials, some of whom have already testified, he was in a unique position. Because he emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian, Ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani, though they typically communicated in English. On two occasions, the colonel brought his concerns to John A. Eisenberg, the top lawyer at the National Security Council. The first came on July 10. That day, senior American officials met with senior Ukrainian officials at the White House, in a stormy meeting in which Mr. Bolton is said to have had a tense exchange with Mr. Sondland after the ambassador raised the matter of investigations he wanted Ukraine to undertake. That meeting has been described in previous testimony in the impeachment inquiry. At a debriefing later that day attended by the colonel, Mr. Sondland again urged Ukrainian officials to help with investigations into Mr. Trump’s political rivals. “Ambassador Sondland emphasized the importance that Ukraine deliver the investigations into the 2016 election, the Bidens and Burisma,” Colonel Vindman said in his draft statement. “I stated to Ambassador Sondland that his statements were inappropriate” and that the “request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the N.S.C. was going to get involved in or push,” he added. The colonel’s account echoed the testimony of Fiona Hill, one of his superiors, who has previously testified behind closed doors that she and Mr. Bolton were angered by efforts to politicize the interactions with Ukraine. The colonel said that after his confrontation with Mr. Sondland, “Dr. Hill then entered the room and asserted to Ambassador Sondland that his statements were inappropriate.” Ms. Hill, the former senior director for European and Russian affairs, also reported the incident to Mr. Eisenberg. The colonel went to Mr. Eisenberg a couple of weeks later, after the president’s call with Mr. Zelensky. This time, the colonel was accompanied by his identical twin brother, Yevgeny, who is a lawyer on the National Security Council. The picture painted by Colonel Vindman’s testimony has been echoed by several other senior officials, including William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, who testified last week that multiple senior administration officials had told him that the president blocked security aid to Ukraine and would not meet with Mr. Zelensky until he publicly pledged to investigate Mr. Trump’s political rivals. While the White House has urged witnesses subpoenaed by Congress not to participate in the impeachment inquiry, failing to comply with a congressional subpoena would be a risky career move for an active-duty military officer. As tensions grew over Ukraine policy, the White House appears to have frozen out Colonel Vindman. Since early August, he has been excluded from a number of relevant meetings and events, including a diplomatic trip to three countries under his purview: Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus. Colonel Vindman said he had reported concerns up his chain of command because he believed he was obligated to do so. “On many occasions I have been told I should express my views and share my concerns with my chain of command and proper authorities,” he said. “I believe that any good military officer should and would do the same, thus providing his or her best advice to leadership.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/army-officer-who-heard-trumps-ukraine-call-reported-concerns/ar-AAJuZ02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 29, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 29, 2019 Funny how guys here that like to throw their service around shit on decorated war veterans that dare criticize Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 He’s a Patriot thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Funny how guys here that like to throw their service around shit on decorated war veterans that dare criticize Trump. How is it different from the way you treat the veterans on this forum? Vets who criticize Trump = AWESOME! Vets who don't = dirt bags! If anything, veterans are the ones who EARNED the right to criticize him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Funny how guys here that like to throw their service around shit on decorated war veterans that dare criticize Trump. They never spoke up when Kerry was dragged through the mud or when Trump insulted McCain. Are they really Patriots? If they were in Colonel Vindmans position would they report it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, Mainecat said: They never spoke up when Kerry was dragged through the mud or when Trump insulted McCain. Are they really Patriots? If they were in Colonel Vindmans position would they report it? As patriots, the men he served with exposed his hypocrisy and his writing his own awards. Snowdens of the military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Snake said: As patriots, the men he served with exposed his hypocrisy and his writing his own awards. Snowdens of the military. Kerry’s bronze star or his silver star? Yeah they give those to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, Snake said: How is it different from the way you treat the veterans on this forum? Vets who criticize Trump = AWESOME! Vets who don't = dirt bags! If anything, veterans are the ones who EARNED the right to criticize him. If you wanted your opinion to count as a vet, you should have been Pouty’s friend and died during deployment! So, fuck off! No opinion for you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: Kerry’s bronze star or his silver star? Yeah they give those to everyone. He gave them to himself. Kerry has absolutely no respect from the people in his command. Like you, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 29, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snake said: How is it different from the way you treat the veterans on this forum? Vets who criticize Trump = AWESOME! Vets who don't = dirt bags! If anything, veterans are the ones who EARNED the right to criticize him. The fact that you’re a vet is irrelevant to your dirt bag status but nice try Mickey. BTW every citizen is afforded the same rights in this country...just because you spent some time in the rear with the gear doesn’t make you special. One more thing...the veterans that are criticizing him actually worked for Trump so they have a little more info than most. Edited October 29, 2019 by Jimmy Snacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: The fact that you’re a vet is irrelevant to your dirt bag status but nice try Mickey. BTW every citizen is afforded the same rights in this country...just because you spent some time in the rear with the gear doesn’t make you special. One more thing...the veterans that are criticizing him actually worked for Trump so they have a little more info than most. Everyone is a liar, the exception being Bone Spurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted October 29, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Everyone is a liar, the exception being Bone Spurs. It really is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Everyone is a liar,. Fixed. Now it's just your side vs the other side and who is being more truthful..or lying less? You pick! Hey....see if you can get your team to scream, "WOLF!!!!!" one more time for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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