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1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

Education to earn a middle class living used to be free. 

I don't see why continuing that tradition is a bad thing. 

because A HS diploma isn't the ticket to a stress free middle class living like it was in the 50's-70's.

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1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said:

That middle class is more comparable to the lower class of today. 

not even close. They owned homes. Provided for a family on one income. Took a family vacation every year. Sure they didn't have the creature comforts but they were far from poor.

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5 minutes ago, frenchy said:

not even close. They owned homes. Provided for a family on one income. Took a family vacation every year. Sure they didn't have the creature comforts but they were far from poor.

I grew up in a single income family in the 60’s. My father only has a HS education. He worked 60 hours per week to get by. We were poor. Way poor. 

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1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said:

I grew up in a single income family in the 60’s. My father only has a HS education. He worked 60 hours per week to get by. We were poor. Way poor. 

you grew up in AK correct? I don't think it's directly comparable to America as a whole. What type of large scale employers in manufacturing was there compared to heavily populated areas of the US?

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1 minute ago, frenchy said:

you grew up in AK correct? I don't think it's directly comparable to America as a whole. What type of large scale employers in manufacturing was there compared to heavily populated areas of the US?

Texas

Alaska gave us our path out of poverty. 

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1 minute ago, frenchy said:

Texas back then. Assuming there wasn't much opportunity outside of oil. Just a guess though....

A guy could walk out of HS in lower Michigan and get a very good job at a big 3 plant and be set for life. 

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Just now, frenchy said:

Texas back then. Assuming there wasn't much opportunity outside of oil. Just a guess though....

Oil, farming, fishing, construction, automotive repair etc.  

Those were the jobs a man with a HS education could get, they all paid minimum wage or barely over.  

 

 

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Just now, Jimmy Snacks said:

A guy could walk out of HS in lower Michigan and get a very good job at a big 3 plant and be set for life. 

that's kind of where I was heading. Rust belt and Midwest. Manufacturing hotbeds.

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I mean, the Demtards just need to cut to the chase...”slave reparations”, “gay reparations”, “pay debt off”, “free HC.”

Just buy the damn votes already.  It’s easier than keeping up with all this bullshit rhetoric.

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Just now, frenchy said:

but those were huge population centers. And people were there because there were good paying jobs.

And?  

For much of america in the 60&70’s a single income with only a highschool education was borderline poverty. 

No different than now if a person is approaching 60 and doesnt have at least 1million in the bank they are broke as fuck and bordering on poverty. 

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2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

And?  

For much of america in the 60&70’s a single income with only a highschool education was borderline poverty. 

No different than now if a person is approaching 60 and doesnt have at least 1million in the bank they are broke as fuck and bordering on poverty. 

except now it takes 2 incomes to achieve the same home ownership rates as 30-50 years ago with one. I won't even address the personal bankruptcy rates. Yet.

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2 minutes ago, frenchy said:

except now it takes 2 incomes to achieve the same home ownership rates as 30-50 years ago with one. I won't even address the personal bankruptcy rates. Yet.

True , and wages are a part of that. But so are spending habits. How many folks now a days have a Christmas club account, or put things on layaway? 

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Just now, steve from amherst said:

True , and wages are a part of that. But so are spending habits. How many folks now a days have a Christmas club account, or put things on layaway? 

yep. Keeping up with the Joneses and accessibility to credit for everything. :nuts: 

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Just now, frenchy said:

except now it takes 2 incomes to achieve the same home ownership rates as 30-50 years ago with one. I won't even address the personal bankruptcy rates. Yet.

2 incomes, 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 2 vacations, 2 smartphones, 2 HDTV’s, 2 pets, etc. 

the second income basically doubles up all those little pleasures in life. 

I definitely agree that you could raise a family on a single income during the 6’s and 70’s a bit easier than you can do it now but it was no cakewalk back then either. 

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1 minute ago, frenchy said:

yep. Keeping up with the Joneses and accessibility to credit for everything. :nuts: 

Yep. There was very little “keeping up with the jonses” back then. Everyone was scraping by to survive. 

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The percentage of debt compared to GDP has been higher before than it is today and that debt was paid down. 

We can pay it down, despite whatever defeatist bullshit we tell ourselves.

The deficit was trending downward during Obama’s second term but now spending has been ramped up again.

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2 minutes ago, SSFB said:

The percentage of debt compared to GDP has been higher before than it is today and that debt was paid down. 

We can pay it down, despite whatever defeatist bullshit we tell ourselves.

it's the willingness to do so that's the issue.

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3 minutes ago, SSFB said:

The percentage of debt compared to GDP has been higher before than it is today and that debt was paid down. 

We can pay it down, despite whatever defeatist bullshit we tell ourselves.

The deficit was trending downward during Obama’s second term but now spending has been ramped up again.

And old Bernie the socialist wants to keep adding to the debt. 

Fuck that.  

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Just now, AKIQPilot said:

And old Bernie the socialist wants to keep adding to the debt. 

Fuck that.  

Yep, I won’t vote for anyone that wants to increase the size and scope of the federal government.

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