frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Education to earn a middle class living used to be free. I don't see why continuing that tradition is a bad thing. because A HS diploma isn't the ticket to a stress free middle class living like it was in the 50's-70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: because A HS diploma isn't the ticket to a stress free middle class living like it was in the 50's-70's. That middle class is more comparable to the lower class of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: That middle class is more comparable to the lower class of today. not even close. They owned homes. Provided for a family on one income. Took a family vacation every year. Sure they didn't have the creature comforts but they were far from poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, frenchy said: not even close. They owned homes. Provided for a family on one income. Took a family vacation every year. Sure they didn't have the creature comforts but they were far from poor. I grew up in a single income family in the 60’s. My father only has a HS education. He worked 60 hours per week to get by. We were poor. Way poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: I grew up in a single income family in the 60’s. My father only has a HS education. He worked 60 hours per week to get by. We were poor. Way poor. you grew up in AK correct? I don't think it's directly comparable to America as a whole. What type of large scale employers in manufacturing was there compared to heavily populated areas of the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, frenchy said: you grew up in AK correct? I don't think it's directly comparable to America as a whole. What type of large scale employers in manufacturing was there compared to heavily populated areas of the US? Texas Alaska gave us our path out of poverty. Edited June 24, 2019 by AKIQPilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Texas Alaska gave us our path out of poverty. Texas back then. Assuming there wasn't much opportunity outside of oil. Just a guess though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 24, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: Texas back then. Assuming there wasn't much opportunity outside of oil. Just a guess though.... A guy could walk out of HS in lower Michigan and get a very good job at a big 3 plant and be set for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: Texas back then. Assuming there wasn't much opportunity outside of oil. Just a guess though.... Oil, farming, fishing, construction, automotive repair etc. Those were the jobs a man with a HS education could get, they all paid minimum wage or barely over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: A guy could walk out of HS in lower Michigan and get a very good job at a big 3 plant and be set for life. Yep but that surely wasn't the case everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: A guy could walk out of HS in lower Michigan and get a very good job at a big 3 plant and be set for life. that's kind of where I was heading. Rust belt and Midwest. Manufacturing hotbeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 24, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: Yep but that surely wasn't the case everywhere. Oh I know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Yep but that surely wasn't the case everywhere. but those were huge population centers. And people were there because there were good paying jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I mean, the Demtards just need to cut to the chase...”slave reparations”, “gay reparations”, “pay debt off”, “free HC.” Just buy the damn votes already. It’s easier than keeping up with all this bullshit rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: but those were huge population centers. And people were there because there were good paying jobs. And? For much of america in the 60&70’s a single income with only a highschool education was borderline poverty. No different than now if a person is approaching 60 and doesnt have at least 1million in the bank they are broke as fuck and bordering on poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: And? For much of america in the 60&70’s a single income with only a highschool education was borderline poverty. No different than now if a person is approaching 60 and doesnt have at least 1million in the bank they are broke as fuck and bordering on poverty. except now it takes 2 incomes to achieve the same home ownership rates as 30-50 years ago with one. I won't even address the personal bankruptcy rates. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 24, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: except now it takes 2 incomes to achieve the same home ownership rates as 30-50 years ago with one. I won't even address the personal bankruptcy rates. Yet. True , and wages are a part of that. But so are spending habits. How many folks now a days have a Christmas club account, or put things on layaway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: True , and wages are a part of that. But so are spending habits. How many folks now a days have a Christmas club account, or put things on layaway? yep. Keeping up with the Joneses and accessibility to credit for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: except now it takes 2 incomes to achieve the same home ownership rates as 30-50 years ago with one. I won't even address the personal bankruptcy rates. Yet. 2 incomes, 2 cars, 2 bathrooms, 2 vacations, 2 smartphones, 2 HDTV’s, 2 pets, etc. the second income basically doubles up all those little pleasures in life. I definitely agree that you could raise a family on a single income during the 6’s and 70’s a bit easier than you can do it now but it was no cakewalk back then either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: yep. Keeping up with the Joneses and accessibility to credit for everything. Yep. There was very little “keeping up with the jonses” back then. Everyone was scraping by to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 The percentage of debt compared to GDP has been higher before than it is today and that debt was paid down. We can pay it down, despite whatever defeatist bullshit we tell ourselves. The deficit was trending downward during Obama’s second term but now spending has been ramped up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, SSFB said: The percentage of debt compared to GDP has been higher before than it is today and that debt was paid down. We can pay it down, despite whatever defeatist bullshit we tell ourselves. it's the willingness to do so that's the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, frenchy said: it's the willingness to do so that's the issue. Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, SSFB said: The percentage of debt compared to GDP has been higher before than it is today and that debt was paid down. We can pay it down, despite whatever defeatist bullshit we tell ourselves. The deficit was trending downward during Obama’s second term but now spending has been ramped up again. And old Bernie the socialist wants to keep adding to the debt. Fuck that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, AKIQPilot said: And old Bernie the socialist wants to keep adding to the debt. Fuck that. Yep, I won’t vote for anyone that wants to increase the size and scope of the federal government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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