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1 minute ago, irv said:

But yet they pump C02 into greenhouses because it increases plant growth. Let alone the fact that it's essential to life. :news:

https://dutchgreenhouses.com/technology/co2-enrichment

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an essential component of photosynthesis (also called carbon assimilation). Photosynthesis is a chemical process that uses light energy to convert CO2 and water into sugars in green plants. These sugars are then used for growth within the plant, through respiration. The difference between the rate of photosynthesis and the rate of respiration is the basis for dry-matter accumulation (growth) in the plant. In greenhouse production the aim of all growers is to increase dry-matter content and economically optimize crop yield. CO2 increases productivity through improved plant growth and vigour. Some ways in which productivity is increased by CO2 include earlier flowering, higher fruit yields, reduced bud abortion in roses, improved stem strength and flower size. Growers should regard CO2 as a nutrient.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm

Some plant species respond better than others to increased CO2.  You can have too much of a good thing.  You've also got to increase soil nutrient content and yes, oxygen in the soil, water, etc for plants to thrive.  CO2 is only one ingredient.  Certain areas will see much more severe drought as a result of climate change and plants don't like that.

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3 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

C02 does not cause climate change. The one and only reason the powers that be claim it does is they can assign a carbon footprint to each living being be a person or an animal. Then they can tax the fuck out of you for simply living and breathing.  

It certainly does.  Without it our planet would be much colder, and not transfer the solar output in the way it does.  You are denying a basic, well understood fact.  This makes it difficult to believe any position you take, as it is obvious you care not about the truth of your claims.

Neal

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3 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

Some plant species respond better than others to increased CO2.  You can have too much of a good thing.  You've also got to increase soil nutrient content and yes, oxygen in the soil, water, etc for plants to thrive.  CO2 is only one ingredient.  Certain areas will see much more severe drought as a result of climate change and plants don't like that.

Got any "real" scientific proof of that or this another one of the alarmists claims that "we could" "we might see" "possibly" "we don't know for sure" scenarios?? 

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Just now, NaturallyAspirated said:

It certainly does.  Without it our planet would be much colder, and not transfer the solar output in the way it does.  You are denying a basic, well understood fact.  This makes it difficult to believe any position you take, as it is obvious you care not about the truth of your claims.

Neal

No without it there would be no plant life. C02 is a trace gas. Water Vaper and Methane are much more important greenhouses gases when it comes to heat 

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10 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

It contributes 126%.  Sounds goofy right?  More than 100%, how can that be?  Do some research dude, I'm not gonna sit here all did and spoon feed ya.

Because you have no clue 

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3 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

Cows emit most of their methane by belching. 

So, are you going to inform AOC it is cow belching and not cow farts? She needs to know, pronto!! 

 

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4 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

It certainly does.  Without it our planet would be much colder, and not transfer the solar output in the way it does.  You are denying a basic, well understood fact.  This makes it difficult to believe any position you take, as it is obvious you care not about the truth of your claims.

Neal

Colder maybe. Much colder no. 

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7 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

Some plant species respond better than others to increased CO2.  You can have too much of a good thing.  You've also got to increase soil nutrient content and yes, oxygen in the soil, water, etc for plants to thrive.  CO2 is only one ingredient.  Certain areas will see much more severe drought as a result of climate change and plants don't like that.

We’re nowhere near those levels. Plants prefer 1000-1500 PPM co2 but it doesn’t get toxic after that. 400 ppm is still drought levels for plants 

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Just now, DUMPY said:

We’re nowhere near those levels. Plants prefer 1000-1500 PPM co2 but it doesn’t get toxic after that. 400 ppm is still drought levels for plants 

The only reason people like Neal and XC think 400ppm is bad is they've been brainwashed. Neither one of these guys has ever researched the top of what plants need to survive and that 400ppm isn't bad.  

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Earth is getting greener because of c02. No it’s not the only equation. Some climatards went out of their way to do a “study” proving c02 doesn’t help plants. So stupid.

it certainly improves crop yields because farmers add all the extra nutrients required 

it also makes plants more drought resistant 

a lot of areas of the earth have gotten greener. Not all. Some areas just have Shitty soils and those are the limiting factors 

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8 minutes ago, irv said:

Got any "real" scientific proof of that or this another one of the alarmists claims that "we could" "we might see" "possibly" "we don't know for sure" scenarios?? 

The Gobi desert has increased by 25,000 square miles since 1994.

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Just now, jtssrx said:

The only reason people like Neal and XC think 400ppm is bad is they've been brainwashed. Neither one of these guys has ever researched the top of what plants need to survive and that 400ppm isn't bad.  

400 ppm bad?  All around no. Where’s the cutoff though. 800 wouldn’t really be that bad either. 

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Just now, jtssrx said:

A Critical Review of Global Surface Temperature Data Products by Ross McKitrick :: SSRN

In 1986, NASA’s top climate scientist James Hansen predicted the US would heat up 4-6 degrees by 2020 (next year.)

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Hansen is kind of a god to the climatards but he’s blown his predictions so many times. 

 

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Just now, DUMPY said:

That’s a natural phenomenon 

No, Dumpy, you have it all wrong. It's all man made, even if some of the deserts were formed over 6,000 thousand years ago! 

For several hundred thousand years, the Sahara has alternated between desert and savanna grassland in a 41,000 year cycle caused by the precession of the Earth's axis as it rotates around the Sun, which changes the location of the North African Monsoon. The area is next expected to become green in about 15,000 years (17,000 AD). 

6,000 Years Ago The Sahara Desert Was Tropical, So What Happened?

https://today.tamu.edu/2016/11/29/6000-years-ago-the-sahara-desert-was-tropical-so-what-happened/

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11 minutes ago, DUMPY said:

400 ppm bad?  All around no. Where’s the cutoff though. 800 wouldn’t really be that bad either. 

"Rising CO2’s effect on crops could also harm human health. “We know unequivocally that when you grow food at elevated CO2 levels in fields, it becomes less nutritious,” notes Samuel Myers, principal research scientist in environmental health at Harvard University. “[Food crops] lose significant amounts of iron and zinc—and grains [also] lose protein.” Myers and other researchers have found atmospheric CO2 levels predicted for mid-century—around 550 parts per million—could make food crops lose enough of those key nutrients to cause a protein deficiency in an estimated 150 million people and a zinc deficit in an additional 150 million to 200 million. (Both of those figures are in addition to the number of people who already have such a shortfall.) A total of 1.4 billion women of child-bearing age and young children who live in countries with a high prevalence of anemia would lose more than 3.8 percent of their dietary iron at such CO2 levels", according to Meyers.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/

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4 minutes ago, irv said:

No, Dumpy, you have it all wrong. It's all man made, even if some of the deserts were formed over 6,000 thousand years ago! 

For several hundred thousand years, the Sahara has alternated between desert and savanna grassland in a 41,000 year cycle caused by the precession of the Earth's axis as it rotates around the Sun, which changes the location of the North African Monsoon. The area is next expected to become green in about 15,000 years (17,000 AD). 

6,000 Years Ago The Sahara Desert Was Tropical, So What Happened?

https://today.tamu.edu/2016/11/29/6000-years-ago-the-sahara-desert-was-tropical-so-what-happened/

A 41,000 year cycle is pretty slow.  Natural cycles are slow.  You couldn't seriously think that posting this would blow the whole volume of AGW study out the window - or could you?  I think you really did, holy fuck you're retarded.

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34 minutes ago, XC.Morrison said:

Some plant species respond better than others to increased CO2.  You can have too much of a good thing.  You've also got to increase soil nutrient content and yes, oxygen in the soil, water, etc for plants to thrive.  CO2 is only one ingredient.  Certain areas will see much more severe drought as a result of climate change and plants don't like that.

400 PPM isn't even close to too much and its been much higher in the past.

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