revkevsdi Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Remember when I said you only regurgitate propaganda? That's what you're doing right now. You know it's a copy and paste from Stubby fingers Johnson when there aren't any speeling mistooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: They are as close as I could think. Government funded health, care University, strong social programs. I'm not sure there is a completely Socialist society anymore than a truly Capitalist one. Basically the entire world runs on capitalism. Some countries fill the gaps better than others, but until the workers own and maintain the means of production (which is the definition of socialism), it's still capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wildboer said: Remember when I said you only regurgitate propaganda? That's what you're doing right now. Prove otherwise then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: Probably the Nordic countries. Sweden, Norway, Findland. What country to you consider true Capitalism. That’s just a few socialist policies propped up by strong capitalism and a very small minority population sweden is in trouble though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: That’s just a few socialist policies propped up by strong capitalism and a very small minority population sweden is in trouble though The United States is $22 trillion in debt with hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities. What is your measurement of success based upon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Anler said: The United States is $22 trillion in debt with hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities. What is your measurement of success based upon? The poor in North America are globally privileged Most all true socialist and communist countries experience a mass exodus North America is not experiencing an exodus in fact everyone wants to come here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Anler said: The United States is $22 trillion in debt with hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities. What is your measurement of success based upon? The population of the US has less access to healthcare and education than the Swedish do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: The poor in North America are globally privileged Most all true socialist and communist countries experience a mass exodus North America is not experiencing an exodus in fact everyone wants to come here Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, revkevsdi said: Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Prove otherwise then No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wildboer said: No thanks Because it’s you that is just regurgitating propaganda lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: That’s just a few socialist policies propped up by strong capitalism and a very small minority population sweden is in trouble though https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/sweden/usa Here’s a link. As a percentage of gdp dept in the us 107%. Vs. 41%. Dept per capita is 3 times that of Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, revkevsdi said: https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/sweden/usa Here’s a link. As a percentage of gdp dept in the us 107%. Vs. 41%. Dept per capita is 3 times that of Sweden. And Sweden doesn’t have the welfare class socialism ruins countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, Rod Johnson said: And Sweden doesn’t have the welfare class socialism ruins countries Is that why they are in trouble or aren’t? Or do you have a clue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: The poor in North America are globally privileged Most all true socialist and communist countries experience a mass exodus North America is not experiencing an exodus in fact everyone wants to come here Like which ones? It seems the European countries are pretty happy with their way of life. Venezuela is not socialist, they only have state oil which is a big no-no. North America is a popular destination for immigrants because of all of our social programs... aka socialism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: The population of the US has less access to healthcare and education than the Swedish do. The US is one the least educated of the more civilized countries and it shows, especially when it comes to understanding of government and economics. Probably the least educated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: The poor in North America are globally privileged Most all true socialist and communist countries experience a mass exodus North America is not experiencing an exodus in fact everyone wants to come here That is very true, problem is when they get to the US and find out what it's actually like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: The population of the US has less access to healthcare and education than the Swedish do. Well they should. Sweedes have socialized medicine. And to pay for it the lowest wage earners pay 28.6 % income tax. Everyone pays more.Liberals here would come unglued if low wage earners had to pay 28% , and rightfully so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Well they should. Sweedes have socialized medicine. And to pay for it the lowest wage earners pay 28.6 % income tax. Everyone pays more.Liberals here would come unglued if low wage earners had to pay 28% , and rightfully so. Are you saying people should not have to pay for their own healthcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, Anler said: Are you saying people should not have to pay for their own healthcare? You want the long answer or the short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildboer Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Because it’s you that is just regurgitating propaganda lol Feel free to read up. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: You want the long answer or the short? Yes or no will suffice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/sweden/usa Here’s a link. As a percentage of gdp dept in the us 107%. Vs. 41%. Dept per capita is 3 times that of Sweden. Nice link. A lot changes in 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Wildboer said: Feel free to read up. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread I like the bread santa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted January 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Anler said: Yes or no will suffice? Tough to answer in a yes or no. But if you insist , yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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